Ones that have had a glaringly obvious "strange" ride...

[jinnyj]

I couldn't find anywhere to post this so I thought maybe there should be a thread. Both NH & Flat are welcome.

For those horses that are swinging out the back and just aren't put in the race until IT IS TOO LATE...! And maybe they are wanting to get the handicap mark down.....
Not talking out of my pocket as I only had one bet today but here's what I spotted from today:

Akecheta 3.10 Doncaster. Jockey did everything possible to run it into trouble out the back and then half-heartedly got the horse going by which time Danielle, the winner was already unsaddled and being washed down. RP report says In rear, still plenty to do when not clear run over 2f out, some headway when in the clear from over 1f out, never on terms (op 16/1)..........I'm not so sure!

 

[Desert Orchid]

Soul Icon in the Badger Beer.

Settled in the second half of the field off an even pace and curiously allowed to drift back to the rear before being asked for an effort when the race was over. The jockey falling off was probably a blessing for both. The horse ended up not having a hard race (wonder what the real target is) and the jockey probably avoided a few questions from the stewards.

Good idea for a thread but I would have thought there was already - somewhere - a non-triers' / non-jiggers' thread. (Maybe I'm thinking of some other forum of the dim and distant past.)

 

[jinnyj]

Yes he definitely was an odd one although I felt the horse wasn't suited hugely by the fences - he kept jumping slowly and deliberately. But he was sitting a ridiculous way off the pace in any case.

I think there used to be but couldn't find anything so I thought I would modernise it anyway!!

 

[Danny]

Trainer said before the race that they were riding Soul Icon differently to try and get the trip. Probably didn't suit being ridden that way. The obsession on this forum with everything being a plot is ridiculous.

 

[reet hard]

Yes he definitely was an odd one although I felt the horse wasn't suited hugely by the fences - he kept jumping slowly and deliberately. But he was sitting a ridiculous way off the pace in any case.

I think there used to be but couldn't find anything so I thought I would modernise it anyway!!

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Trainer said before the race that they were riding Soul Icon differently to try and get the trip. Probably didn't suit being ridden that way. The obsession on this forum with everything being a plot is ridiculous.

Fist 0nce told me the subject of non-triers was raised at Jonjo's breakfast table, and his response was; [t was hard to get horses to win races,let alone contemplate,stopping them.
Imo,it's human nature not to be wrong,and a large percentage of supposed non-jiggers can be layed at the door of punter ineptitude.

 

[Ian_Davies]

Have to say I'm in broad agreement with Danny and Reet.

For sure, over the years I've seen horses that looked palpable non-triers one day and improved massively shortly afterwards to land a gamble in a target race.

But I've seen just as many drift like barges - because the market has got it into its collective head that a horse is "no good"/"not wanted" today etc - that have won in cold blood.

Racing social media is full of punters who prefer to blame the trainer and/or the jockey for a losing bet rather than own that losing betting slip and take responsibility for it themselves.

If you think a yard is bent, why are you backing their runners or getting involved in races where they might have a plot?

And if you think a jockey is no good for whatever reason (integrity, poor judge of pace, weak in a finish, past it, whatever) why do you still back their rides?

There's something like 10,000 races a year in Britain and Ireland alone - try being a bit more selective.

I'd hate to see this forum go the way of Racing X.

 

[Frankel]

The obsession on this forum with everything being a plot is ridiculous.

Highly amusing to read though.

 

[jinnyj]

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Fist 0nce told me the subject of non-triers was raised at Jonjo's breakfast table, and his response was; [t was hard to get horses to win races,let alone contemplate,stopping them.
Imo,it's human nature not to be wrong,and a large percentage of supposed non-jiggers can be layed at the door of punter ineptitude.

Jonjo O'Neill stops more horses than most trainers put together (or did when I knew him/ran against him) And he will tell you in a completely deadpan accent that the horse was completely running on it's merits and he has no idea why the horse ran like that.

And before anyone comments about how do I know - I worked in the industry and know/knew a lot of these people personally.

 

[jinnyj]

Horses are being stopped regularly and if you don't think they aren't then you really shouldn't be punting. I am not saying it is all about landing a touch but more to do with getting a horse back down to a winnable mark. So you run them in the wrong races, on the wrong ground, on the wrong track. Or if your jockey is capable of avoiding detection ( nigh impossible these days with so much video surveillance) then you get them to hook a horse as he comes out of the stalls or present it poorly at a fence.

The example I highlighted above, the jockey was sitting motionless then decided to run it up the back of several horses, then a few more and eventually when the winner had comfortably flown and put considerable daylight between them, he asked his horse for a "bit" of effort.

 

[luckyme]

Fist 0nce told me the subject of non-triers was raised at Jonjo's breakfast table, and his response was; [t was hard to get horses to win races,let alone contemplate,stopping them.
Imo,it's human nature not to be wrong,and a large percentage of supposed non-jiggers can be layed at the door of punter ineptitude.

Ha, that's a good one coming from him, couldn't lie straight in bed if ya paid him.

 

[Barnestormer]

A horse that went into my tracker was:
HORNICA (Ben Pauling)
Finished 7th of 13 behind Jackie Hobbs on its first start over hurdles at Newbury on Thursday dropped out last but made headway and could have placed with a stronger ride (even the commentator pointed out that it was 'patiently handled')
Drifted from an opening 9/2 out to 12/1.
Ran the same race in its only NH flat race start.

 

[barjon]

I think both camps are right. On the one hand not everything is a plot, on the other hand not everything is out to win as its primary objective in a race.

 

[reet hard]

Fist 0nce told me the subject of non-triers was raised at Jonjo's breakfast table, and his response was; [t was hard to get horses to win races,let alone contemplate,stopping them.
Imo,it's human nature not to be wrong,and a large percentage of supposed non-jiggers can be layed at the door of punter ineptitude.

Ha, that's a good one coming from him, couldn't lie straight in bed if ya paid him.

Twat!

 

[luckyme]

you know I mean JONJO

 

[reet hard]

Ido now,

 

[jinnyj]

I think both camps are right. On the one hand not everything is a plot, on the other hand not everything is out to win as its primary objective in a race.

Absolutely not everything is a plot. But the trainer's job is to win races for the owner (not the punter) and if the horse is too high in the handicap to win off it's current mark, then matters are taken in hand.