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Hyland for me. He looks well weighted on his form against Resplendent Grey (accepting the risk that I don't know how much that one has improved) and Katate Dori. His creditable second to Jukebox Man in the Kauto Star looks a little more creditable now.

Yes, he should have seen that coming.

This is getting confusing. I forgot there were 2 races on this thread.

Interesting... It's all about opinions as they say, but I don't feel too worried about Ascot for him. His two best performances have been at Exeter and Sandown ... right-handed, uphill finishes. Should I be thinking that Ascot is so different?

Top five? I don't think JPR One is badly handicapped.

All true... Remember Buster Douglas. Someone put $168k on Tyson trying to buy $4k. Then again, I don't suppose AJ is going to spend the month before the fight drinking and whoring like Iron Mike did.

Love it, thanks. Anyone interested in markets and the people who make them will get something out of that.

Nice one on Sean Og fellas ... Having seen NH Andy's post on that one, I had a look and decided to follow him in. Thanks NH Andy for the heads up!

I was thinking the same thing but I found myself put off by the low price they paid for him, which gave me the impression that his talent had gone. Would love to be disabused of this notion, anyone?

Thanks TFT. I won't be able to participate on Saturday as I'll be camping and climbing Yr Wyddfa. Parting guesses for Friday: 2:30 Ipanema Queen 3:05 Shadow of Light NAP 3:40 Hand of God 4:20 Falakeyah 5:00 Alfareqa 5:35 Amiloc 6:10 Hammer the Hammer

2:30 Charles Darwin NAP 3:05 Chess Dad 3:40 Serenity Prayer 4:20 Trawlerman 5:00 Afentiko 5:35 Trinity College 6:10 Ramazan Good luck all.

Surely right... The front two on the stands side were a long way clear of the rest of their group

2:30 Cardiff by the Sea 3:05 Carmers 3:40 Fallen Angel NAP 4:20 Anmaat 5:00 The Liffey 5:35 Miss Information 6:10 Tough Critic

2:30 Carl Spackler 3:05 American Gulf 3:40 Asfoora 4:20 Field of Gold NAP 5:00 Nurburgring 5:35 Ecureuil Secret 6:10 Aeronautic Good luck all. Thanks TFT for doing this.

You mean Snakes and Lovers?

Silly price about the latter on the exchange

Nicely

I was reminded recently that non runners do not reduce the place numbers in the Betfair each way market. It still pays 3 places. It's not very often, given the incentives offered by bookies, that the Betfair each way market looks advantageous, and it's not often very liquid, but that rule is...

I'd like to join, but I've gone for the 8/1 about Man of Desert. CD form gives him a decent shout off this mark; last time out he was up in a class 2 for his handicap debut but raced keenly and didn't stay the 10f.

Agreed! They can't treat every big raceday like Ascot, where you can guarantee that people are prepared to pay through the nose to be there and dress up. The Derby was always known as the people's day out. I think they should be playing on that side of it. Keep some expensive areas for the top...