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It's not whether Kotki is upset, it's clique-y - same as those who call Maruco Paul and Grey Art.

Correct. Bizarre, i had an argument with someone about this last night. He feels the majority of the blame is with the French state.

Clive, Not one person mentioned it or insinuated that. It's beyond the pale you would even suggest that. No-one in Paris brought anyone on themselves and that shouldn't need re-stating by anyone on here.

I did differentiate you cretin, read my post at 3.15. I won't repeat myself again. If you continue to compare me (and others) to Hitler and label us anti-semitic, this will be brought outside the forum. First and only warning. I'm not being labelled as such by a nutter.

Race is this sense was not what I intended as an ethnic race - that much should be obvious by my continued arguing over whether Jewish people are a race or not. As to the rest of the quote, are you not familiar with the concept of 'chosenness'? It implies superiority, hence my point. It's not...

You used race, I said many don't believe them to be a race. No backtracking required I'm afraid but good try.

What harm have muslims 'visited' upon you to gives you the right to post here with so much chilling bluster?

Icebreaker, for you to call someone psychopathic is almost amusing. Your views on the killing of school children are chilling, and you should hop down off your pedestal. Your views on Islam are far stronger than my views on Judaism.

Clive, stop looking for an argument. My point was about the religion and well you know it.

I agree with most of what you say but there IS imho a parallel, in that many innocent people were unnecessarily murdered. If there is 1 hamas operative (who I condemn before Clive jumps on this) hiding amongst a school of children, and a UN one at that, and that school is bombed and children are...

Clive, I've re-read this thread - who said that it's the fault of the Brits and Americans?

How is he legitimising it? He's doing completely the opposite by comparing it to the many murders committed by Israel under Netanyahu.

I never said it started from that; I was talking about contemporary people, so keep the clueless moniker for yourself.

Well-said http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/15/turkish-pm-ahmet-davutoglu--muhammad-cartoons-provocation-charlie-hebdo

You've clearly misunderstood my post. To call the Jewish people a 'race' is tenuous, and invites racial hatred. Most people I know/see that have anti-zionist/anti-jewish tendencies feel that way due to the religion, Israel and the Jewish belief that they are a race above and better than all...

I understand it but for me they are more bound by a religion (they are as crazy as the islamists you mock so much, thinking they are the 'chosen people') than by a common ethnic thread.

So in other words you are silent on freedom of speech when it is concerning the jewish religion but manic when it comes to Islam?

Clive, what are your thoughts on Dieudonné?

I was wondering how long it would be before Clive's favourite writer appeared in the NS.. http://www.newstatesman.com/mehdi-hasan/2015/01/muslim-i-m-fed-hypocrisy-free-speech-fundamentalists

What did you think of Dieudonné's shows, Clive?