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They both tried to justify what happened by putting it into 'context'. It is horrible stuff. The first one you can see is rattled after her 'points' are not taken up and shot down, and then tries to be everyone's friend and say how shocked she is. It's perverse that people like this live in England.

Go to 24 and 42 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znV5tlEtb6U#t=1465 shocking stuff from 2 islamic apologists

Clive, you mentioned about the reprinting of some of the cartoons - Le Monde will have them inside tomorrow's edition of the paper.

Can you send me a link as to where muslims have taken over a prison in France please? Again, please stop inventing things - that is NOT what his lawyer said. Why do you keep lying on here to create a hysterical situation? Here is the english translation of what he said: When he was younger he...

You're so misinformed it's hardly funny. He didn't 'surrender', he went to the police station willingly when he heard his name on the social media. He has had many classmates verify his alibi. How do you know they don't have enough money and didn't go to that petrol station (unconfirmed...

I hope they are not killed, but sent to prison, where they can spend the rest of their lives. And hopefully one where prisoner security is lax. They in all probability are ready to die, why give that to them?

Agree with this but would add immigration is great when immigrants values and beliefs have or can find something in common with the 'host' country. Therein lies the problem.

There is no such things as moderate Islam, that is the problem. There are moderates within it, but the religion itself stands in contrast to our complete way of life. I was speaking to someone this morning who made the point Islam needs its own reformation, even though it will never happen...

I am not sure who here has seen the video off the policeman being murdered (the full version) but they don't look like nut bags recruited, more highly skilled, calm killers. What a horrible video.

Clearly it's not, and with no evidence all he can think of are conspiracy theories. it's strange. It wasn't meticulously planned. it was no doubt planned in reasonable detail but they didn't even know how to get into the building for god's sake - they had to threaten a woman into inputting the...

However, it's too late now. Those who have different values can no longer be sent ' back', they are for the most part born in Europe and have as much legal right as those whose families stretch back generations. The fact is this has been simmering for years and years, and nothing has been done...

What a horrendous day, and thoughts go out to all those who died or are affected. To move to a country, you should (have to) broadly agree with their beliefs, values and way of life. That doesn't mean you need to go watch football every Saturday or eat croissants in the morning, but you need to...

Coneygree was savage.

Sprinter Sacre - with the 4s, you are just betting on him coming back within 15 pounds of his best. That has to be significantly less than 4s.

Champagne Fever Cue Card River Maigue Sign of a victory Nicholls horse in bumper at Wincanton Gilgamboa Sausalito Sunrise and Coneygree v Saphir du Rheu

Names are to describe your behaviour; see your last post to Tanlic. Not interested in continuing thisfurther...

You're underestimating the potential of CF.. Agree on Cue Card. I find is strange people write off Cue Card's stamina but you read little of Al Ferof's who seemed to stay an awful lot worse.

Look at your recent replies to people, such as Tanluc - you're a big baby if people don't agree with you!

I have a big bet on Champagne Fever and a medium one on Cue Card. EC, if you can't say something nice and accept when people disagree with your views, best say nothing, you come across as a brat. I don't want a reply or dialogue with you, but just let it go, you're ruining the thread.