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Underlines the way in which the race will be run to beat DA I think. Magician would probably have to be held up to get the trip like DA, but could not beat DA. They will go hell for leather. Flying the Flag will take them along and one of them (festive cheer possibly) will be nominated to take...

Moore on Ruler of the World again.

IMO he has the pedigree of a miler. His class and temperment will see him get further.

I think your on the button there.

Camelots Dam stayed 10f. DA dam best placing was over 6f at 2. I think your in denial. New approach was beaten in the 2 Guineas before the Derby because he wasn't quick enough to win over a mile. He was a middle distance horse .

New approach dam won the yorkshire oaks amongst other middle distance races. DA staying is definitely a leap of faith.

I understand what Murtagh meant as horses bred to win Derbies are usually slow boats that have to go hurdling to win a race (ghastly game).The point of the Derby is to find the best of the ones that got the stamina and (freakishly) the speed too. They are always bred to stay.

Equinome the company in which Bolger is a Director says DA can't stay.

http://www.bloodstocknews.eu/back_issue/pubs/STS_2013/D8796603653BC636AF1D0254AC99B665/STS_2013.pdf

That's surprising re: Sir Percy.

Good quick ground won't suit Ocovango as well as some of them but if there is a good covering he'll get away with it once anyway.

It's some damline alright I remember leading up to and including breeders Cup 2005 the family was winning all around it.Romantica's family that is.

Delighted for him and his family, as Nicholls said "a grind".He has nothing left to prove.

Try her again the next time. Bad draw got bumped a bit and tired towards the end. The ones in front of her were all match fit. She could be the best of them.

Al Kazeem impressed me . I think Camelots OR of 124 is fair enough so al kazeem looks a good one.

Al Kazeem, no fluke there, impressive. Don't think there is much doubt about Ocovango staying ?

The simple answer to that is that they don't know as they don't really try most of them at 2. They only really put it up to them at 3. They'll know which ones are in the ballpark after the trials but really the Derby sorts them out for them as well as everyone else. Magician is being left in...

I agree , the Dante form looks better now. I still think Ballydoyle have the winner and Ruler of the World is my pick but I hope Magician doesn't turn up.

Definitely, have the mortgage on it.:whistle:

Hopefully we get to see him in the not too distant future, looks the part.