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The average punters are the plankton of the whole horse racing eco system, once they've been reduced enough due to various reasons then horse racing is fked. Punters face such as Indifference from the BHA and racing media, who only act if their comfortable existence is threatened Bookies...

I'm looking forward to reading what gets published, especially just being one of the plebs only allowed a tenner take out most of the time from Bet365 and Lads

back home it was huge price increases that impacted most I'd say, a few years ago someone got done for having a full on cigarette factory (all the machines etc) going on his small holding

Doh I meant "a decent pointer for the Welsh Grand National itself." Some of them are strongly linked ie runners from the "Plumpton Sussex National Chase Handicap" heading to the "Wincanton Somerset National Chase Handicap"

If it's held this year, the Chepstow Welsh Grand National Trial Chase Handicap is actually a decent pointer for the Welsh Grand National Trial itself. Unlike the Haydock Grand National Trial Chase Handicap, of the 83 runners of which heading to the following Aintree only 2 have won. I think...

This seemed apt for the thread

We'll see if Lulamba's class level over hurdles translates to fences

you don't think our coins could force a sharp drop in price at the off???? lol

Gonna be good watching race if nowt else

Their overounds are a very steady 122% When I look at the bookie prices and the current tote prices, I have no feel for which way they're going to go by the off. Unfortunately , unlike the UK/IRE races, I don't have the exacta or trifecta returns for HK, would have been interesting to put...

You'll have seen I do ratings for HK on my site My trainer and jockey ratings are course/race type based and I have all the form going back to the start of 2017 They have 30 odd pattern races, 1 at Hapy Valley and the rest at Sha Tin. I have them cross referenced against each other as well as...

I don't have Lulamba as any sort of clear fav on ratings. I have it and Alnilam about level then Be Aware close up next, however Be Aware has the better trial race stats, see below.

And I missed out the 3 nice graded races at Cork on Sunday Cheltenham really isn't all that and a bag of chips for me

I've been to one point to point before, cos I'm all about my ratings & stats, when it came to thinking about betting I felt like I was on the naked & afraid reality show. 🤪

Sorry just been coughing & choking for a while...

So who controls your mic? Ie you taking a step back & not wanting to be central to the conversation?? Although you'd have plenty worthwhile listening to. Not a bet I'd make given the stats....🤣

You cant be host & 'star' at the same time

Don't worry it's not just a stepping stone to Cheltenham, see the Tingle Creek thread

But where to after the Tingle Creek? To view it as just a stepping stone to the Cheltenham festival in March would be wrong.

Some strong trial/pointer race trends for the Tingle Creek