16-year-old Stabbed In Subway...

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What is the world coming to?
I wonder, when they stabbed Kashif Mahmood, did they even think about what they were doing? Did they realise that they were taking someones life, ruining someone elses?

Stabbings are unfortunately quite common, and I just don't understand why...

What are you views on the matter?
 
Well PEPSI hi, its happening all over the country in Swansea last week on the sand @ Swansea bay a youth 17 coming out of a night club had his head kicked in and killed 3 youths have been charged....

In Taunton also 4 boys killed another 16 yr old boy bludgeon him to death...

I blame the justice system there is no visable detterent and if charged and found guilty, they give them a life sentence 10 yrs they are out after 6 yrs they are then back out on the streets under 30yrs of age to reoffend again..

I really think in some cases(where a knife or weapon is used) there's a reason to bring back the death penalty or if given life make sure its life!!!

I bet that every week end throughout the U/K you will see at leasts 3 deaths if not more caused by fighting assaults knifings etc etc you check them up and count them......

Innocent people being killed its not on ............................ :angy:
 
I find it hard to imagine that anyone who carries out such an attack thinks "hmm, I think doing 6-10 years is worth this" before proceeding to kick/beat/stab some poor bastard to death.
 
but he would not do it if it meant he dies too or does a real life sentence.............. if being the aggressor

If you carry an offensive weapon and use it, to kill, the max sentence should be given and if it was hanging sobeit......... but while these moderately soft sentences are still being given!! your going to have these attacks as I stated there are NO DETTERENTS at all)

If stopped and searched and found with say a machette/flick knife on you, you go down for 5 yrs it will soon bring it to these peoples attention/notice then................ :o :rolleyes:
 
but he would not do it if it meant he dies too or does a real life sentence.............. if being the aggressor
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I disagree. I think repercussions are the last thing on the aggressor's mind. They've gone far beyond the point of rationality.
 
Discipline in schools and in the home must be restored. Do the teachers on here not wish they could pummel naughty kids with the rope from the gym when they misbehaved?
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Sep 26 2005, 12:16 AM
Beating them to a pulp with a rope's end - that'll teach them that violence is wrong
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Well if i misbehaved at school that`s what happened to me (another teacher used an old trainer.) Young kids today cant be touched by there teachers or parents and it makes them feel invincable, some of my teachers did scare me....and there`s nowt wrong with that.
 
The state of the Streets in the UK are a testimony to the way that children are being brought up.
 
While it might cross my mind from time to time, I am fully aware that being allowed to hit pupils would only exacerbate the situation.
 
Would also like to add the murder of 14 year old Danielle Beccan in Nottingham to this, after she was shot by a gang member from another part of the city.
Also the murder of Shafilea Ahmed in a town local to me (Warrington) probably by relatives (her parents were arrested but released due to a lack of evidence). She drank bleach and was in hospital for a period of time prior to her death at the age of 17.

Martin
 
knives seem to be a fashion accessory nowadays. and also guns, i was watching a tv programme the other day X factor (dont laugh) and one guy had got through to the next round. when he went back to his family to celebrate, they were jumping up & down with their hands in the air, and were mimicking holding a gun. its seems to be the way forward for youths these days.

they should never have got rid of the cane in schools, that kept the majority of children in line.
 
Twenty-three of the fifty states in the USA, mainly southern, still allow corporal punishment in schools. The USa is the most crime ridden and violent of all the democracies.

Finland abolished corporal punishment in schools in 1983. It has the most successful educational system in the world and the one in which most teachers would dearly love to teach.

Whatever conclusions one would draw from the above facts, they don't seem to make the case that some are arguing on here, do they?
 
While I'm anti-corporal punishment in or out of school, I'm not sure you could just remove one element from a society, Brian, and say it was solely that which led to academic success.

I haven't visited Finland, but somehow I doubt it's riddled with ghettoes, drug dens, a public love affair with firearms and other weaponry, and it's not too high on the list of warmongering/invading countries, either. I bet it doesn't bombard its population with constant images of violent behaviour, in its films, tv series, adverts, MTV, books, and even displays of photos and art. The USA has glorified and celebrated violence in one form or another since the days of its earliest settlers, when it was those brave white cowboys against those dirty brown Indians. You reap what you sow, and the US has sown the seeds of violence throughout its history to the present day, and pretty much looks like going on and on doing so. There cannot be a comparison in cultural attitudes between the two countries.
 
But the point is that whacking the kids to stop crime, as advocated by some on here, doesn't seem to work in Birmingham, Alabama. Why should it be any different in Birmingham, West Midlands?
 
Ah, I see what you mean now. I can't imagine that any form of physical punishment stopped anyone from doing what they were bent on doing. The old 'clip round the ear' didn't HARM many, I'm sure, but it didn't actually stop them going on to become bank robbers or fraudsters, either. On the other hand, being a well-behaved Mummy's pet seems to have led some to the enjoyment of serial killing, so there's no guarantee there, either!
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Sep 27 2005, 12:22 AM
But the point is that whacking the kids to stop crime, as advocated by some on here, doesn't seem to work in Birmingham, Alabama. Why should it be any different in Birmingham, West Midlands?
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Cant compare the two. The southern states of America are too overtly religious for effective discipline. Most kids are going to rebel from the nonsense they teach in the schools in that part of the world.
 
Originally posted by Euronymous@Sep 27 2005, 12:42 AM
The southern states of America are too overtly religious for effective discipline.
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You have got to be joking!

Fact: The following 23 states allow corporal punishment in schools, the list is southern biased but they are not all in the south.

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Wyoming


Fact: Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas and Tennessee, all southern states, stand out as being the most violent towards school children, all of which overwhelmingly administer the most school corporal punishment in the United States.

It's probably no coincidence hat they all retain capital punishment and that some of the states which are heaviest on corporal punishment in schols have had most executions and people held on death row.

Just about every reputable study in the USA of discipline in schools indicates corporal punishment teaches violence and aggression rather than self-discipline. But the ex-governor of Texas, President George Dubya Bush, spurred on by his religious right colleagues tried to impose federal immunity for any teacher who hit a pupil - even those from states where "paddling" as they like to call it over there was banned - against a lawsuit that a parent might bring. Fortunately common sense prevailed and House and Senate members - the majority from Mr. Bush's own party - stripped corporal punishment from what was called the "teacher protection" bill.
 
Well there isn`t any sort of a solution then if punishment isn`t effective or a deterrent. I`m no conservative, christian or otherwise but i do believe in certain crimes having punishments that fit the bill. Repeat pedos for example should be castrated and i cant think of a single reason why this shouldn`t be so.
 
I actually knew the boy that I started this thread about, he was in my form class at school but somehow mangaed to get himself kicked out in the middle of year eleven! I feel so sorry for his family, they made an emotional appeal on television to find out who killed their son and Kashif's siblings, well I can't even imagine how they must be feeling...

Apparently the person who actually stabbed Kashif appeared in court yesterday but I was told that the actual murderer had gone home to Pakistan! :confused:
 
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