A Few Facts About The Tv Licence

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The television licence fee is in the news again and much of the printed media is yet again up in arms about the unfairness of it. Of course, those newspapers who rail against the BBC whenever they can nearly all have a vested interest in so doing as they own, part-own or are sister companies to those who own competitors of the BBC.

So let's look at just a few facts. Firstly the much vaunted "£180 licence". The BBC is asking for a funding settlement of inflation (RPI) plus 2.3% annually between 2007 and 2013, which would see the licence fee rise from the current £126.50 per household to £150.50. However, assuming an annual RPI of 2.5% - the Bank of England's target figure - licence fee payers would actually be paying £176.46 by 2013. So the £180 licence is not that far wrong, though editors, like politicians, can be selective in how they present figures. In other instances you would have seen this quoted as "£150 at today's prices". So the figure of £180 is deliberately intended to frighten people, and makes as little sense as marvelling that a semi-detached in London cost £2,000 in 1960. Was that cheap or dear? Who knows?

But let's not haggle over the price - we're nearly all seekers after value on here so let's look for what value, if any, we get from the licence fee.

Firstly, for around £10 a month there is BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, New 24, BBC Parliament, CBBC, CBeebies, Radio 1, Radio 2, Radio 3, Radio 4, Radio 5Live, Radio 6Music, Radio 7, BBC World Service, regional TV studios, regional radio stations - including national channels for wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, bbc.co.uk, and no adverts. That doesn't look too bad for me and to those who say "but I don't watch or listen to most of those" I'd ask whether they have ever watched most of the 120 channels or so they get from cable or satellite. I know I haven't.

BBC radio costs £600m a year and is almost universally regarded as good value for money. But to judge from the hostile reaction that the BBC's bid has triggered (as mentioned above, mostly from the usual suspects, many of whom are the BBC's competitors), there are severe doubts about whether the £2,300m spent last year on BBC television represented good value for money.

Look at it this way. The cost of the BBC is 23% of the total cost of all television services transmitted in the UK. Yet BBC television wins 37% of the total television audience. So the consumer is paying much less per hour for the BBC than for other types of television. True, this includes advertising in the overall cost of commercial television. Since advertising appears "free" to the consumer, perhaps it should be excluded. But nothing is "free", least of all advertising.

But even if we look only at subscription charges, the BBC offers good value. For each 1% of audience share it wins, the BBC costs £62m a year. Subscription services, mostly dispensed by the Sky platform, cost viewers £156m per point of audience share - over 150% more expensive than the BBC.

I am sure that there is someone reading this desperate to point out that people pay voluntarily for subscription channels, whereas they are forced to pay for the BBC. That is true, but surveys have directly asked people how much they would be willing to pay for the BBC's services, if they were not forced to do so through the licence fee. Inconveniently for the BBC's commercial enemies, they would on average pay at least one fifth more than they actually do pay each year.

This leaves the last, and only valid, argument against the licence fee. Even though most people would voluntarily pay a lot more for the BBC than the cost of the licence fee, there are about 7m households in the UK who would not. Forget the fact that many of those who "never watch BBC" can quote "The Office" and "Little Britain" along with the rest of us, this minority would gain if the BBC became a subscription service. But the other 16m households would lose. And that, as even a politician could confirm, is rather a large majority.

Finally, there is the cost of digitalisation. This, the BBC argues, is a major contributor to the need for above inflation increases in the licence fee. It's the government who want us all to be digital (in my opinion a correct decision) and they have asked the BBC to take charge of the project. All the commercial broadcasters, both television and radio, will benefit but are not contributing financially. So, it could be argued that part of the licence fee is a tax, a proportion of which is being used to subsidise private enterprise. But surely not under Mr Tony's New Labour?
 
Without spending extra money I am unable to view 40% of the services I am paying for. Do I get a 40% reduction in my licence fee (which does go on the basis of having equipment capable of receiving the signal)?
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Oct 14 2005, 11:20 AM
Eventually you'll need to spend the money anyway
That's not strictly true. I may in the future be forced into purchasing a digital capable television, but that'll only happen if a) my current telly is knackered and no analogue replacement is available or b ) they remove the analogue signal and Mrs Simmo demands we get a new telly. I don't want, or need, any more channels of sh*t on my telly, I have quite sufficient as it is.
 
I did mean when analogue is switched off, though you'll have the choice of no television at all - one which more than a few people make.

Though you might like to have something to cheer you up occasionally?
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Oct 14 2005, 12:00 PM
Though you might like to have something to cheer you up occasionally?
This is me happy. You should see me when I'm p'd off.....

I suppose I will have to resign myself to the fact that I will eventually be dragged, kicking and screaming into the next phase of televisual technology. But not until I absolutely have to.
 
Well I think a far better way to save monies is to get rid of some of the presenters(I.E. 3 to be in the studio for MOTD just an example) we have far to many and they are paid big bucks too...

Then reduce the wages some of these people get they are paid megga bucks for doing absolutely nothing.................

go on BBC2 and see the wages being offered for the jobs advertised!! :rolleyes:
 
I couldn't remember the exact dates so asked my Pa. Analogue will start to be switched off region by region starting in 2008 & it should be all switched off by 2012. The first region to go will be the Borders and London will be the last in 2012.
 
Just to put things in a little bit of perspective: the Irish TV Licence costs ~£105, and for that we get two mainstream TV channels, one Irish language one, and four radio stations. With adverts. And I'm not holding my breath for digital terrestrial tv.
 
I have German friends who would be delighted to get BBC instead of the shite that they pay for over here.

They love to watch footy on my TV,they have took a raincheck on the Cricket though.
 
The best thing about BBC digital football coverage is that you can opt for the TV commentary (lamentable), the Radio 5 commentary (better except for Alan Green) or just crowd noise (bliss).
 
Just this once I find myself in agreement with Merlin :o .

There just has to be some accountability with the funding of the BBC. Their idea of covering outside broadcast events is to throw as much money and as many bodies at the event as possible.

During the last Olympics I was moved to contact them to ask how much the coverage cost. They weren't prepared to divulge the figure. I also asked why did they need so many presenters/pundits, the answer was that they felt that they needed all those faces to give us the standard of coverage that was expected of them. I was assured that not all of their people were there in luxury hotels, some of them had to rough it in dormitory-like accommodation.

You will probably have your own opinions about those answers but as we know from their racing coverage there is an excess of bodies.

Colin
 
I am a great supporter of the BBC but I'd love to get my hands on their staffing levels. If you think that they over-do it with sports presenters, you don't want to know about the over-manning in the areas of admin and production staff.

Do a little survey on a current major news item - take the earthquake disaster in Pakistan and India, check how many "on the spot" reporters the BBC has there compared with, say, Channel4 News.

But, while there is room for further economies - and don't forget they are more than halfway through plans to reduce their 28,000 workforce by 25% - it doesn't take anything away from the value for money argument which the above figures demonstrate.
 
Most people would be only too pleased to get a guaranteed annual pay increase of inflation plus 2.3%.

I'm not someone who's instinctively anti-BBC, but why do they need to employ 28,000 people, especially as a lot of programmes are produced by outside companies? What on earth can they all be doing?

If they got rid of some of the carriages on the gravy train, maybe they wouldn't "need" this increase.
 
COLIN ;) VEN yes I certainly agree with both your postings, I myself am far from ante BBC, when I highlighted the MOTD programme that was but an example!! off the top of my head! I never chose sport to oppose sport, its as I have said but an example!! but has you and Brian have stated they are over run with what I myself would call/term as jobs for the boys & girls in a lot of the areas....

The racing as you highlighted is another area that needs to be pruned as a matter of urgency too...

Look at most outside broadcast as well they are over covered by presenters-commentators...

Yes I also agree that a large proportion of programmes are bought in at a given price.
So yes like your selves I first and foremost, I would want to first of all see a huge pruning in the staff.... then look at the license fee!! not as now its come under scrutiny first... again??? As is always the case as far as I can ever remember?….
 
The proposed fee is roughly the same as one week of married couples pension.My view is that BBC merits state support but thru taxes not a licence fee
 
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