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Muslims Out of Australia!

CANBERRA AUSTRALIA: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false.

If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to other country which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said. Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off". "Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
 
:o Why did BLAIR and his cronies not do the same here? If people regardless of their religion want to live here they do so like ALL others, under the current laws!! Not do as they want to do, which as been very apparent HERE of late????? :o
 
I always find it horribly ironic when Australia - a country full of descendents of European settlers who largely destroyed the culture of the indiginious population there - tell others to "clear off" if they won't accept "local values".
 
Except for the Australians blown up in Bali - they do alos have the Muslim cleric saying woman who dress in a certain way are " asking for it "

I do agree, hwever, with Gareth's post . This Aussie Govt is a nasty xenophobic organisation. I suggest we send them Blunkett.
 
I can have some sympathy for the view that if you hate our values so much, then what are you doing here?

There again you could say the same to communists and the christian right perhaps

Australia has liked to boast (do they do anything else) about their multiculturalism. Its painful to be tolerant of those with the horrible views of the more extreme elements of islam, becasue they show absolutely no tolerance towards others at all. seeing some of the left here suck up to those that would stone adulterers and hang gays as well as spout genocidal aims towards jews has been even more disgusting than what we read above

where theres a security risk (which of course there often is) there is a need to be very vigilant in times when terrorism cn take more and more extreme forms

but this should be tackled quietly and not through sweeping rhetoric
 
Please yourselves, I'm thinking of emigrating there.

I hope they let you in Abdullah Bin Rashid d'Iver.

What if a native born Australian is a naughty Muslim. Where do they have to go to? I believe Madrid is nice.
 
Originally posted by clivex@Nov 21 2006, 09:56 PM
seeing some of the left here suck up to those that would stone adulterers and hang gays as well as spout genocidal aims towards jews has been even more disgusting than what we read above
Where does this absolute rubbish come from ? The Daily Mail ?
 
It's probably some ignorant Aussie who thinks Monty Panesar is a Muslim and they are bricking themselves.
 
Originally posted by sunybay@Nov 21 2006, 04:27 PM
"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false.
Can't say that I find very much objectionable about what is being said in this phrase.

The manner in which it is dealt with is another matter.
 
to be fair muslim fundamentalists flirt with anyone that listens

the nation of islam in the states often turned up at rallies held by the american neo nazi movement (especially in rockwell leadership)

and then again red ken seems well in with them judging by the number he shares platforms with whilst they espouse love and tolerence to all



as well as spout genocidal aims towards jews has been even more disgusting than what we read above

to which ardross you reply


Where does this absolute rubbish come from ? The Daily Mail


take your head out of the sand all u need to do is attend any muslim demonstration such as the one held august 5th in grosvenor square or any of the stop the war campaigns (unless it is wars they are responsible for or support) and read the banners they wave
 
Interesting comparison, that, between Islamic fundamentalist leaders and Popes. I mean, they're not big on women's rights, they reckon gays are going to spend eternity in hell, they wouldn't be too bothered if someone tried to wipe out the Jews...

...and as for the Muslims!
 
Point about some on the left is that the work on the very childish principle (and something the US has shamefully done too) that thine enemies enemy is my friend, reagrdless of what actual beliefs they hold

Very simple minded thinking indeed

True Gareth. Maybe only real difference is that the muslims put it into action

The catholic church's record during the second world war was pretty shameful...to say the least
 
Originally posted by an capall@Nov 21 2006, 11:00 PM


What if a native born Australian is a naughty Muslim. Where do they have to go to? I believe Madrid is nice.
You are right
while Zapatero si our prime minister, this is the ideal place to plan any terrorist attack and to practice the Sharia.
 
Originally posted by Galileo@Nov 21 2006, 08:57 PM
Sounds like Austrailia is asking for trouble, the type they have missed so far.
exactly............


it is the same reasoning the rapers apply:
that girl wanted to be raped because she was wearing a short skirt.
 
errmmmm

I think Bali was pretty significant

Frankly the attitudes in australia have probably hardened beacuse of that. Also the light treatment that vile islamic leader over in Indonesia who if i recall rightly, was bang to rights has hardly helped matters
 
Just noticed today that there have been 1000 more civilians killed in Iraq this month than on that muderous day in NY in 2001. It was item 4 on the News.

I don't know what this means - just thought I'd mention it.
 
It hardens because of a comment made by the Mufti Sheikh Al Hilaly. The comment he made several weeks back was when he said a woman being uncovered (one whom doesn't dress like a Muslim) deserves to be raped, and is like a piece of scrap meat waiting for the lions to attack you.
In other words a woman should be covered from head to toe, otherwise men will rape them, and deservingly. He has defended his comments, however it was obvious he was serious about it when footage of it was released to the public.

This comment had public outrage, and angered the entire community, including Muslims (both those whom choose to wear their head piece, and those that didn't).

A lot has happened over the past 12 months in Australia, that the world doesn't hear about. In December of last year the Cronulla riots happened. The basis of this was the toleration of Muslims against "white Australians." What should have been a peaceful protest where 2 lifeguards were king hit and bashed by 2 Muslims for no apparent reason, turned into one of the deadliest days I have ever seen in my area. I live near Cronulla, about 10 mins in fact. What was most sickening was seeing the white Australians holding Nazi flags, beer bottles, and calling themselves Supremists.
In saying that what happened, happened for a reason. Being a local of this area, for more than 22 years, one of the worst moments of my life came when I was threatened with rape as an 18yo with my best friend and several school friends at a picnic. A gang of 30 Lebanese Muslims came up told us to clear out of the area, unless we covered ourselves. Two of the boys in our group got bashed, and ended up in hospital. We called the police, and what should have taken 1 minute to get to the beach, took 45 mins. By then the gang had gone, and were nowhere in sight.

Being an Australian is a privilege and an honour. Modern Australia was found upon democracy and christian foundations. If you want to live here, you learn the history both of the aboriginals and the modern people whom came to make this country what it is, from Captain Cook, to the First Fleet that arrived in 1788 to those that made this a multicultural society that it is (and yes Clivex sorry to advise you we are a multicultural country, something I am proud to say that we are). You learn about the ANZACs, those that fought in World War 1, 2, Borneo, Korea, Vietnam, etc and those whom fought under the Southern Cross of the flag to make us a free nation, you sing with pride when the anthem is rung.

And yes I am proud to boast about my wonderful nation, and get quite angry and emotional when people show absolutely no respect to us.
 
I believe it was as recently as 1975 when race discrimination laws were introduced that modren day Australia decided it was illegal to shoot Aborigines, revoking the long standing martial laws of NSW and Tasmania that permitted the practice in the name of sport. Indeed it was invoked as the defence in the Myall Creek massacre, that the defendants had no real idea that what they were doing was wrong.

Mind you, I might be wrong too, as I'm trying to take this from a distant memory that a third party once told me, but I think the Australian treatment of the Aborigine has been largely air brushed from their history in much the same way as the Americans have the Plains Indians
 
Originally posted by Warbler@Nov 26 2006, 01:32 PM
I believe it was as recently as 1975 when race discrimination laws were introduced that modren day Australia decided it was illegal to shoot Aborigines
Spoilsports
 
What was most sickening was seeing the white Australians holding Nazi flags, beer bottles, and calling themselves Supremists.

Presumably they've all been told to clear off out of the country too?
 
All these points about the past treatment of aboriginals are so reminisient of the "ah yes, but what about the crusaders" ..whenever there has been yet another muslim inspired atrocity

Might as well advocate (lets say) the enforced female circumcision of German women and say "ah yes, but what about hitler?"

We are dealing with the here and now
 
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