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Two horses slip independantly in the 3.00 race, with 5 others brought down. 7 horses piled up. Two jockeys injured. Joe Fanning suspected broken Collar bone, Paul Mulrennan looked quite badly injured, but no news.

Horse slipped up after line in first race as well.

Not looking good for Ayr.
 
Just saw the replay; scary stuff. Wasn't Ayr where Robert Winston got smashed up in similar circumstances?
 
Stupid Ayr racecourse, last year they had 0-60 horses going 1 second understanderd etc if this werent a sign that their drainage and course was a potential risk then i dont know what to say
 
Joe Fanning - broken left collarbone
Paul Mulrennan - was able to walk back into the weighing room and is being checked out

Looks like all the horses got up?
 
I used to really enjoy going to Ayr on what is known up here as 'Fair Monday' (the first Monday of the Glasgow industrial holiday fortnight). The meeting has been going downhill for years but this is bad news.

The course hasn't really recovered from losing Morag Gray as Clerk. She went to Hamilton and did a brilliant job there before being headhunted by (as far as I know) a non-racing concern.
 
Just after seeing a replay of this race, unbelieveable that there wasn't serious injuries to horses and jockeys. I can't remember ever seeing anything as bad.

Very, very lucky.
 
Stuart Morrison, the Director of the course, said quite openly he hadn't seen anything like this in the 40 years he's been racing, and was clearly rattled. The ground had been dry and then taken sharp rainfall on it, it seems, which always sets it up to be slippy. It was strange that the horses were nearly off the bend, though, when they fell (the 2 y.o. sprawled near the winning post, the assumption being that it was fazed by a line cut across the track). However, perhaps it's the way the bend presents the horses for the final run into the straight that's the problem - maybe the angle is too sharp, and the course needs some re-jigging at that top end? Could be costly in more ways than one, since I imagine this will dent both trainers and jockeys' confidence in the ground there.
 
the ground was watered thursday & friday even though heavy rain was forecast for Saturday..he seems to have omitted that

looks like Ayr have watered their surface to death

horses going too fast etc is nonsense explanation...to hide the real problem..think they go faster at Chester..the real problem is that over watering has trashed the surface..its got nowt to cling to underneath..its akin to a loose carpet

over watering - which course next?

this issue is one of the biggest in racing at the moment
 
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From RP online

By Graham Green6.43PM 14 JUL 2009
FURTHER questions were raised about the management of Ayr racecourse on Tuesday after a spokesman appeared to contradict comments made by clerk of the course Katherine Self over the last time the track was watered before Monday's controversial abandonment.
Self had said on Monday that the course had been watered both the previous Thursday and Friday and, in the pull-up area, on Monday but Iain Ferguson, Ayr's head of public affairs, stated that after consulting with groundstaff that watering had taken place on the previous Thursday only.
When pressed in an interview on Racing UK about his recollection of watering, Ferguson said: "The last time we watered was last Thursday, July 8, but the course was walked on Monday, just prior to racing, by the chairman of the stewards, Katherine Self and in-coming clerk, Hazel Peplinski."
Self could not be contacted on Tuesday as she was involved in dealing with an incident with HM Coastguard, whoshe joins full-time after next Monday's meeting.
 
Presumably attending to another sinking ship??

Clerks of the Course walk their entire courses (well, those who know what they're doing, anyway) a week before racing and get an initial stick reading, then they walk again at the 4-day decs stage, the day before racing, and early on the morning of racing. Throughout these marches, they take readings from several (at Brighton, it's 20, so considerably more for bigger courses with longer races) places - the going stick is pronged three times, close together, in all those places, and the three prongings provide the average read-out for that spot. Which is why one part of the course could come up with 7.2 and another with 8.4. Where you know you've usually got either a hard spot or a soft spot must be included in the testings, so you know whether to call it (say) G to F in places, or G to S in places. At Brighton, the whole course is watered with a Briggs boom irrigator, meaning all of it gets an even flow of water. Problems arise when Clerks don't water uniformly, or put too little on to get right into the ground, thus creating slippy surfaces. That the Clerk at Ayr would've walked the course 'on Monday, just prior to racing' is silly - she'd have had to have walked it several times in the days before racing, and early on the morning of racing (usually around 6.30) to determine the reading for the day. Clerks usually text trainers their going reports in the early morning, so that if the change overnight is from, say, Good to G to F in places, decisions to withdraw on account of the ground can be made then, and save some horses from making unnecessary journeys. The Clerks give the going stick readings, and the day's weather forecast, such as 'drying, s-w light breeze, sunny' - which could indicate further drying-out of the ground throughout the day.

I can't imagine that Ayr's Clerk walked the course in the early morning, decided the final going, and then watered the course!
 
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I can't imagine that Ayr's Clerk walked the course in the early morning, decided the final going, and then watered the course!

I don't imagine so either - and its not been suggested

What appears blindingly obvious is that it wasn't necessary to water the course at all on Thursday & Friday when heavy rain was forecast over the weekend.

Its quite convenient how the clerk is unavailable for comment as well...seeing how her initial statement appears to differ from the lastest reports

Its a complete disgrace really..it will happen again if watering to the degree they do continues.

Continually watering grass particularly the amounts being shoved on to get Good ground..not Good /firm is destroying the rooting of grass and creating a loose unsafe carpet which is what it looks like has happened at Ayr..even in the straight the horses are sliding about.

Not facing up to this issue is putting lives in danger...but it seems that turning a blind eye to it and inventing any excuse to hide it seems the order of the day....going too fast???...are we in a parallel universe here where people who should know better really believe they can sell this nonsense?

Something drastic needs doing about watering before lives are actually lost
 
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You said yourself that it had been watered on Monday in the pull-up area, EC1. That's not too bright, when jockeys are trying to pull up horses which are still tanking after the sprint. They're decelerating and quite likely to skid and slide there as anywhere else - although, fine, if she didn't water the entire course on Monday, at least they'd be more likely to slip there than everywhere else.

On tv, they were saying there were 4'-long skidmarks left by the horses before they came down, which does point to a problem with an unsafe surface and quite possibly turf with a weakened underlay. I don't know what Ayr's soil is like: at Brighton, there's hardly more than four inches of topsoil over clay and iron clinker from bygone days, so our Clerk strives hard to maintain a good, bouncy, thick layer of grass by sufficient watering to create a good, strong rooting mass underneath. It needs constant watering or else it would just dry and die, but as the chalk absorbs the water pretty quickly - surface moisture can be gone in as little as four hours - there's never a problem with it remaining topside, ready to cause a slip.

And if we want to talk about serious turns, then how come horses aren't falling over regularly, negotiating Chester's endless turns? They clearly get their grass structure and watering programme right for a tricky track.

Yes, there should be a very strong message of concern from the BHA - in fact, to the point where the course's licence to race should be in the balance if it can't address the issue satisfactorily. There were suggestions to send out two or three trial horses in the morning to test the ground, although I find that, while initially sounding sensible, to be as reckless as sending out actual runners. Nobody wants trialling horses BD, either, or their riders put at risk to determine how safe the going is!

Perhaps the best thing would be, if they can't find a way to work the turf safely, to bite the bullet and just go AW.
 
Self could not be contacted on Tuesday as she was involved in dealing with an incident with HM Coastguard, who she joins full-time after next Monday's meeting.

I'm sure the west coast fishing fleet are sleeping well tonight
 
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