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Think he is leaving on a whimper on here and he doesn't deserve that.

One of the greats. More raw ability than Denman or Kauto?
 
Legend. Gave me goose bumps seeing this fella in the flesh.

If he could have jumped then I'm in no doubt he would have won Gold Cups (with them in it).
 
I agree he deserves his own thread.

Saw all four of his World Hurdles - ground Punchestown into the dust and he was never the same again and Doumen had to give up jumpers .

Beat Time for Rupert effortlessly with the rest of the field strung out like wet washing

Grand Cru was supposedly going to beat him and he left him for dead before destroying him at Aintree.

Andrew Lynch rode a very clever race but BB pulled clear and ground top class 2m 4f horses to bits .

I think he was probably even better at Aintree and of course 18 in a row - amazing horse .
 
yeah he always seemed to win at aintree even easier.

wouldnt put him on the same level as denman/kauto but to win 18 races in a row says a lot for him. immense consistency.
 
granger said:
He did. What do you think he knew though
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He would have nailed her like the rest. I remember seeing an interview with Ruby regards the potential Quevega v Big Bucks. He just said, look she is a very good mare, but Big Bucks is Big Bucks. She is rated well below him and would need to improve enormously. Add in the fact that he always had some in reserve.

Lets not roll off VLV. He held her easily. A cracking ride from Lynch made it look closer than it was.
 
Big Bucks is clearly a great. What I find odd is that those who want to blow hardest about him always use Grands Crus, Punchestowns, Time for Rupert and Voler La Vedette as evidence. Barely a true grade 1 horse in the quartet.
 
HawkWing said:
Big Bucks is clearly a great. What I find odd is that those who want to blow hardest about him always use Grands Crus, Punchestowns, Time for Rupert and Voler La Vedette as evidence. Barely a true grade 1 horse in the quartet.
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He dealt with who was put in front of him.
People question the record of the Fly winning 'soft' races in Ireland. He dealt with who was put in front of him.

Stupid arguement :nono:
 
Hurricane Fly was beating Solwhit. Id have been more impressed if Big Bucks had been beating Solwhit rather than pumping up Time for Rupert to pretend that defeating him was only something that the greatest staying hurdler could possibly achieve.
 
i think grands crus was a very good horse when BB beat him. something went wrong along the way. agree on the rest listed. not grade 1 horses.

he also beat dynaste 3 times. not bad form.
 
Beating Solwhit who was cracking horse but was ultimately a 2 and a half miler, who ends up in the stayers. He only just beat Halo. Bucks would not have got out of bed to even gallop with Halo.
 
He also beat Mighty Man at Aintree who was cracking at that track - destroyed Thousand Stars who stayed 3 miles well when he was at his peak and Oscar Whisky too . Crunched Tidal Bay when he was trying to reinvent himself as a hurdler and had won the Cleeve. Time for Rupert was a very good hurdler then and went on to be a top novice chaser .

He won four ffs beating everything put before him easily and 18 out of 18 - something HF did not do .

Same old story on here . Run down the great horses and build up 160 class GC winners simply because they are Irish.
 
True. Grands Crus was in flying form when they met. Think we know now that 3m stretches him. What made Big Bucks great was that you got the feeling that Inglis Drever or Baracouda would have had their work cut out to beat him. And any other staying hurdler. He had the lot and always finished with real power. A top horse of that quality could have allowed us to really see what he had. It certainly wasnt going to be Voler La Vedette. People pretend it was.
 
Ardross said:
He also beat Mighty Man at Aintree who was cracking at that track - destroyed Thousand Stars who stayed 3 miles well when he was at his peak and Oscar Whisky too . Crunched Tidal Bay when he was trying to reinvent himself as a hurdler and had won the Cleeve. Time for Rupert was a very good hurdler then and went on to be a top novice chaser .

He won four ffs beating everything put before him easily and 18 out of 18 - something HF did not do .

Same old story on here . Run down the great horses and build up 160 class GC winners simply because they are Irish.
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Mighty Man at Aintree. Exactly. Are you reading the thread? Aintree form more persuasive to his greatness. Not Time For Rupert and Voler La Vedette. All confirmatory bias again.

Everything that agrees with my theory is correct, everything that points to being different is wrong. Tom Scudamore and Queally never ride a good race. Only bad races.

Running down HF in your post for not winning 18 in a row. Gas.
 
Ardross said:
He also beat Mighty Man at Aintree who was cracking at that track - destroyed Thousand Stars who stayed 3 miles well when he was at his peak and Oscar Whisky too . Crunched Tidal Bay when he was trying to reinvent himself as a hurdler and had won the Cleeve. Time for Rupert was a very good hurdler then and went on to be a top novice chaser .

He won four ffs beating everything put before him easily and 18 out of 18 - something HF did not do .

Same old story on here . Run down the great horses and build up 160 class GC winners simply because they are Irish.
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What top novice chase form had Time For Rupert? Or are you just confirming your already held belief that he was brilliant.
 
Come on. You can discuss the quality of World Hurdle candidates elsewhere. Lets just write something nice in his retirement card.
 
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