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Ian_Davies

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I'm aware these - like so much I do 😂 - are a bit "Marmite" with forumites, but in the last few weeks there has been lively discussion, lots of detailed analysis and no shortage of winners at prices.

MisterB has been in touch and from his suggestions I think he's contemplating creating a section for Big Race threads where those who like them can participate and those who don't can swerve them.

I could have created about nine for this weekend, but I've been studying past traffic to them and decided the main three (Morebattle, Grimthorpe and Greatwood) would comfortably suffice.

I've also noticed interest is understandably heightened once the final decs are made, but I will continue to create them at the entry stage for now.

I enjoy creating them, offering a link to the betting and a preliminary view of my own to kick start them, then I leave it to others to participate if they wish.

Because it's not actually about me, it's about YOU.

It's the Imperial Cup at Sandown Park next Saturday, the five-day entries will be tomorrow - can't wait.
 
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I agree that the various threads have been good for stimulating discussion/stirring shite about the bigger Saturday races.

They appeal to me personally because they are the races I focus on.

I do agree, too, that an umbrella section would be a good thing, perhaps with disparate threads dated accordingly, eg The Big Races Thread Saturday 8th March, etc.

It might also work for the festival threads, eg The Cheltenham Tuesday Thread, The Aintree Friday Thread, etc, and allow outdated threads to slide into oblivion. The 'What Are You Backing Today Thread' goes back years and anything older than a week is pretty much irrelevant.
 
I'm not trying to replace anything which currently exists, neither am I on a mission to annoy anyone.

I didn't realise the Chit-Chat threads and postings were highlighted in listings and that some couldn't differentiate and didn't like it.

That's fixed now - and MisterB wants to fix any issues here too, he seems like a really good bloke to me, his mission is to drive TH up the search engines and increase traffic here, but what's good for that is good for TH generally.

I'll happily accept whatever he decides - he's the gaffer - but my opinion is that loads of sections for different big meetings would clutter the place up a bit and make navigating TH like navigating Hampton Court Maze.

But one "Big Races" section means I could put all these threads in there and anyone who wanted them could find them all there, others could add threads of their own if they wish, but those not interested in any of this could simply swerve that section.

We will see what MisterB eventually decides and in the meantime I will continue to create selected Big Race threads here.
 
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I agree with you Ian. I actually think the layout on the The Racing Forum is very good, and if we have something similar to that we wouldn’t go far wrong; although, we still need our own unique identity.
 
I think Len makes a very important point - no forum should be a clone of another.

But that said, TRF has numerous good people and the "Big Race Discussion" folder created and largely populated by ultra hardcore (he'd often create a thread for next year's renewal pretty much after they weighed in for this year's 😂) ante-post punter Bobby is imo very good - he put up 33/1 Grimthorpe winner Morodor only yesterday in his OP.

But I actually think the big-race analysis here at TH has the edge and it's been great to see that harnessed by these specific big-race threads.

I see data and analysis from people like Maurice, Barjon and others that I simply don't see anywhere else and that's why TH will always be unique.

Great to read some positive feedback.
 
I can't even remember what my 'handle' was over at TRF!

I did get involved a fair bit in the longshot thread over there but I the reason I left was that I just got fed up with a couple of egomaniacal loudmouths.

I visited the site a moment ago hoping I'd automatically log in but no username came up. That makes it easier to resist the temptation to go there again.
 
:)

I do remember the username of one of the contributors but I won't repeat it here. I'm sure if I did go back in there I'd remember who was who but, as I say, I'm outa there for good.
 
I liked a lot of people on there, actually, Nathan (who posts here), Richard, CAS, BigG, Triptych, ERL, Tonge, homersimpson, GhostOfRob, Gamble, Marlingford, to name just ten, many others as well, but there are loads of good people here too from what I've seen so far.
 
To be fair, I was watching Meydan - and wondering if Ruling Court might be a 2,000 Guineas colt - only last night.

I, err, watched the AW and then two races at Santa Anita in the USA after that and no one jumped a twig all evening. 😂
 
This would seem to be as good a place as any to 'spill' some of this....and I'm confident that Bryan and Dave - if still engaged - (with their forum/gambling industry backgrounds) will know all this.

But...on the subject of trying to gain enhanced search engine visibility...

Things have changed a lot in recent year(s) around how search engines 'work'. That's an understatement, it's a complex topic that would take a lot of writing to cover fully (and there are lots of grey areas/unknowns/nuances and myriad shenanigans alongside what is known).

But, having said that, there are some generally accepted principles/approaches where current evidence suggests they still hold true (to varying extents that are pretty much unproveable. The extents, I mean).

And how those apply to forum threads/posts (as opposed to 'normal' web pages) and whether they would enhance the prospects of ranking is questionable....where the 'brand name' (ie in this case 'TalkingHorses') may also play a large part, alongside how the search engines 'want' to treat forum-based user-generated content.

The principles/approaches (high level)?

It's simplistic, and maybe overly simplistic now (although, as I say, there's lots of evidence to suggest they're still important)

But, there are three key places where you want the topic of your page/thread to be, so that when a search engine 'analyzes' it (to determine whether it will give the searcher useful information that ties in with their search intent), the SE has some up-front 'clues' about what it's reading and can (hopefully) 'decide' that it's valuable, on topic, and worth 'storing' in a place where it can retrieve it from and show to searchers.

The Title of the page/thread
The main heading of the page/thread (known as the H1)
The body content
(and, a personal belief but goes against general accepted 'wisdom') - the Description of the page/thread.

There probably isn't a lot of debate to be had around the last one - search engines often choose their own description to show anway, which suggests that what you have in there is irrelevant. But, still, it might play a part in some circumstances.

There are further beliefs that the subsequent headings h2, h3 etc, may play a part as well. But it appears (from analysis of this thread's code) those don't work the same way on forum pages that they do elsewhere.

If we take the thread we're on. Right-click anywhere in the grey borders (the few cm either side of the content frame) and you will see 'view page source' near the bottom.

Click that and a new window will open, showing the html construct of the thread (assume html is the code that makes the page 'work')

Now, if you know where to look, you will see what the Title, Description, H1, and any other headings (if applicable) are.

On a 'normal' webpage, these entries would typically be entered by the website administrator (manually, normally when a new page is added)
On a forum, it looks like they take the thread creator's entry/words.

So, on this page, the title is 'Big Race Threads' - suffixed by 'Talking Horses - UK's Largest Horse Racing Forum' (which I imagine is preconfigured somewhere so it gets auto-added, note it's 'flawed' and could do with the addition of 'Ireland')

The H1 is the same, purely 'Big Race Threads'

But the description is basically an auto-inserted reproduction of the first 30-40 words of the opening post, which may or may not be fully representative of the 'intent' behind the thread.

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Reason for all this...

If you are going to create a new thread/section which is focused on a specific topic (in this case - big (horse) race discussions/analysis/thoughts/predictions) - with the underlying desire to get it in front of eyeballs that may land on it and think 'these guys seem to know a bit about horses and horse racing, I think I'll join' - then it may pay to be thinking 'OK, so what do punters looking for this type of information actually search?'

Then, you construct the aforementioned elements in the appropriate way. The body content will get taken care of by the general discussion in the threads (which, theoretically, the search engine should be clever enough to 'work out')...but you have given it a 'helping hand' to understand the main intent (remember, it's a robot. A clever one, but a robot nonetheless)

In my head, the most likely search would be 'big horse races analysis', or maybe just plain 'horse races analysis' (these are straight out of my head, but there are tools where, with 10-20 mins data analysis, you could work out the most likely search intents).

Will that actually help? Quite likely it would have a positive impact, yes. Though some of that will be because of the TalkingHorses 'brand recognition' (as it likely is with the other forums) - the search engines 'know' what they are and what they do, which is why you'll often see the same names pop up at the top of search results.

From what I can see (and without deepish analysis), TH does seem to have a 'recognized brand' standing (though probably a little lower in strength than one or two others).

And, once you have the brand recognition, you're often fairly well-placed to capitalize on it. It's possible that small things could make a difference. If they don't, then you have to start going deeper into other 'helping-hands'. That's a story for another time (if anyone is remotely interested, I do realize that many wouldn't give a toss about all this :cool:
 
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There are 35 entries for the Midlands Grand National on Saturday 15th March, and Oddschecker have created a price comparison page, but the weights have not yet been published and, following feedback regarding the 12 Cheltenham Festival Handicaps, I'm not planning to create a thread for the Uttoxeter contest until the publication of the weights.
 
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