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I agree Brian. I regard it as a skill, but it comes back to old addage about casino operators, bookies or layers generally being interested in encouraging us to gamble. They're not. What they want, is to encourage people to lose, so if someone devises a method for winning (within the rules of the game) they actively move to stop it. And lets be honest card counting accurately and at speed, is not actually so easy that anyone can pick it up without a good deal of practice. As Brian has alluded to, in the 1950's/ 60's in Nevada they tended to stop the individual period, once they realised the player that could execute the skill had an edge (for a period there was actually a degree of debate whether the edge actually existed, and whether or not it was just another theoretical gambling hypothesis).

The Derren Brown trick of getting paid out on losing tickets remains my favourite though

<blockquote data-quote="Warbler" data-source="post: 2080965" data-attributes="member: 65228">I agree Brian. I regard it as a skill, but it comes back to old addage about casino operators, bookies or layers generally being interested in encouraging us to gamble. They&#039;re not. What they want, is to encourage people to lose, so if someone devises a method for winning (within the rules of the game) they actively move to stop it. And lets be honest card counting accurately and at speed, is not actually so easy that anyone can pick it up without a good deal of practice. As Brian has alluded to, in the 1950&#039;s/ 60&#039;s in Nevada they tended to stop the individual period, once they realised the player that could execute the skill had an edge (for a period there was actually a degree of debate whether the edge actually existed, and whether or not it was just another theoretical gambling hypothesis).The Derren Brown trick of getting paid out on losing tickets remains my favourite though <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Warbler, post: 2080965, member: 65228"] I agree Brian. I regard it as a skill, but it comes back to old addage about casino operators, bookies or layers generally being interested in encouraging us to gamble. They're not. What they want, is to encourage people to lose, so if someone devises a method for winning (within the rules of the game) they actively move to stop it. And lets be honest card counting accurately and at speed, is not actually so easy that anyone can pick it up without a good deal of practice. As Brian has alluded to, in the 1950's/ 60's in Nevada they tended to stop the individual period, once they realised the player that could execute the skill had an edge (for a period there was actually a degree of debate whether the edge actually existed, and whether or not it was just another theoretical gambling hypothesis). The Derren Brown trick of getting paid out on losing tickets remains my favourite though :D [/QUOTE]

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