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Agree, charisma free zones both. Like someone said about another nobody, Baroness (why?) Ashton, she's gone from being unknown in her own country to being unknown right across Europe.

Know a bit about the CAP (less than you, obviously), having administered export restitution claims for a food manufacturer in the 80s/ 90s and, whilst you're right about reforms, they have taken an unconscionably long time to arrive (e.g. on sugar) and this is a consequence of the scheme's original (very pro French) architecture, which has been a massive problem for Britain over the past few decades.

Dairy is a case in point - the UK rationalised it's bloated processing facilities, a legacy of the old Milk Marketing Board, in the 80s. The French kept most/ all of theirs open through a network of subsidies for a lot longer. I recently travelled to visit a creamery in France and drove past it twice, even though it looked plausibly like one, as there was no sign anywhere of the company name. Turned out that one of the stipulations in the deal for its takeover from a farmer co-op by one of France's leading plc dairy companies was that the farmers would only continue to deliver their milk there if the company's brand was not visible. I thought this said a lot about how the French are still fairly heavily rooted in the protectionist era.

<blockquote data-quote="Very Very Ordinary" data-source="post: 2371198" data-attributes="member: 65848">Agree, charisma free zones both.&nbsp; Like someone said about another nobody, Baroness (why?) Ashton, she&#039;s gone from being unknown in her own country to being unknown right across Europe.Know a bit about the CAP (less than you, obviously), having administered export restitution claims for a food manufacturer in the 80s/ 90s and, whilst you&#039;re right about reforms, they have taken an unconscionably long time to arrive (e.g. on sugar) and this is a consequence of the scheme&#039;s original (very pro French) architecture, which has been a massive problem for Britain over the past few decades.Dairy is a case in point - the UK rationalised it&#039;s bloated processing facilities, a legacy of the old Milk Marketing Board, in the 80s.&nbsp; The French kept most/ all of theirs open through a network of subsidies for a lot longer.&nbsp; I recently travelled to visit a creamery in France and drove past it twice, even though it looked plausibly like one, as there was no sign anywhere of the company name.&nbsp; Turned out that one of the stipulations in the deal for its takeover from a farmer co-op by one of France&#039;s leading plc dairy companies was that the farmers would only continue to deliver their milk there if the company&#039;s brand was not visible.&nbsp; I thought this said a lot about how the French are still fairly heavily rooted in the protectionist era.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Very Very Ordinary, post: 2371198, member: 65848"] Agree, charisma free zones both. Like someone said about another nobody, Baroness (why?) Ashton, she's gone from being unknown in her own country to being unknown right across Europe. Know a bit about the CAP (less than you, obviously), having administered export restitution claims for a food manufacturer in the 80s/ 90s and, whilst you're right about reforms, they have taken an unconscionably long time to arrive (e.g. on sugar) and this is a consequence of the scheme's original (very pro French) architecture, which has been a massive problem for Britain over the past few decades. Dairy is a case in point - the UK rationalised it's bloated processing facilities, a legacy of the old Milk Marketing Board, in the 80s. The French kept most/ all of theirs open through a network of subsidies for a lot longer. I recently travelled to visit a creamery in France and drove past it twice, even though it looked plausibly like one, as there was no sign anywhere of the company name. Turned out that one of the stipulations in the deal for its takeover from a farmer co-op by one of France's leading plc dairy companies was that the farmers would only continue to deliver their milk there if the company's brand was not visible. I thought this said a lot about how the French are still fairly heavily rooted in the protectionist era. [/QUOTE]

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