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Don't go putting words in my mouth. Only a fool would deny there was overproduction, but it is no more. That didn't happen by accident, either. The situation was recognised and by degrees steps were taken to address it, starting more than twenty years ago. You are talking about history as if it was still current.

French agriculture has done well out of the CAP, so has agriculture in other Member States. The French were not exempted from anything by anybody, like you claimed.

Of course Member States act out of self interest. The difference here, though, is that Cameron is not committed to the future of Europe, only to a trading zone. He announced beforehand that he was going to the summit with a set of demands but nothing to give.

Taking the Conservative MEPs out of the mainstream right wing group in the Parliament and joining instead a motley group of eurosceptics, nutters and anti-semites was not a clever move, it showed that at heart he has disdain for the EU. As Angela Merkel put it, she didn't think Cameron was ever at the table.

<blockquote data-quote="Grey" data-source="post: 2371219" data-attributes="member: 65112">Don&#039;t go putting words in my mouth. Only a fool would deny there was overproduction, but it is no more. That didn&#039;t happen by accident, either. The situation was recognised and by degrees steps were taken to address it, starting more than twenty years ago. You are talking about history as if it was still current.&nbsp;French agriculture has done well out of the CAP, so has agriculture in other Member States. The French were not exempted from anything by anybody, like you claimed.&nbsp;Of course Member States act out of self interest. The difference here, though, is that Cameron is not committed to the future of Europe, only to a trading zone. He announced beforehand that he was going to the summit with a set of demands but nothing to give. &nbsp;Taking the Conservative MEPs out of the mainstream right wing group in the Parliament and joining instead a motley group of eurosceptics, nutters and anti-semites was not a clever move, it showed that at heart he has disdain for the EU. As Angela Merkel put it, she didn&#039;t think Cameron was ever at the table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grey, post: 2371219, member: 65112"] Don't go putting words in my mouth. Only a fool would deny there was overproduction, but it is no more. That didn't happen by accident, either. The situation was recognised and by degrees steps were taken to address it, starting more than twenty years ago. You are talking about history as if it was still current. French agriculture has done well out of the CAP, so has agriculture in other Member States. The French were not exempted from anything by anybody, like you claimed. Of course Member States act out of self interest. The difference here, though, is that Cameron is not committed to the future of Europe, only to a trading zone. He announced beforehand that he was going to the summit with a set of demands but nothing to give. Taking the Conservative MEPs out of the mainstream right wing group in the Parliament and joining instead a motley group of eurosceptics, nutters and anti-semites was not a clever move, it showed that at heart he has disdain for the EU. As Angela Merkel put it, she didn't think Cameron was ever at the table. [/QUOTE]

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