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Sorry , that's my view . I work in a job at the minute where people are given time off to go discuss what bun sale they can pull off . I think we are doing a diservice to these causes by making their donations voluntary . Every penny we individuals stump up is a penny that the govt. doesn't need to . The public purse should fund charity entirely in an ideal state . I am working in the bottom 15% of earnings per capita in the uk and I don't think that it's right that a company can harrass charitable giving out of their employees via spam emails . Ardross do you know if it's allowed to opt out under law ?
 
As it happens, I tend to agree with you too; I give money to the charities I choose, when I choose. I object in a large way to people trying to shame you into giving them money by making you feel guilty, it is quickly becoming a growing trend to station people shaking buckets at you at every exit out of a racecourse at virtually every meeting. Some I give to, some I don't - I don't see why these people should make me feel guilty if I don't give them money, not least when I work on the racecourses so I tend to get hassled several times a week. Besides which, none of the people collecting seem to be aware that it is against UK law to shake buckets at people and ask them for cash.

Mind you that's nothing compared to the arseholes from Oxfam who literally overran Kings Cross last week harassing people to give them their names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses - just try avoiding some persistent git clutching a Blackberry, who won't take no for an answer, when you're on crutches and can't bloody get away from them! I'm just hacked off that I was too polite to tell him to feck off.
 
Don’t get me started. In the town I live in you will need to pass 7/8 on the main street on a Friday or Saturday collecting for charity. When I worked in the town there was at least 2 callers a week looking for a donation. I really lost the plot when someone collecting money for the homeless in Dublin (crack addicts to be precise) suggested that €5 a week was not a lot of money and that I should give her my bank details. My other favourite is the sponser cards where your asked for you contact details. Is so they can contact you to tap you again...
 
It's great to see you and sorry that I havn't been in touch . I have been completely absent in recent months . I work for a wellknown bank , household name and I'd like to get everyone's opinion as to whether OUR COMPANY POLICY COULD BE IMPROVED .
At the minute one person from the team is selected to go discuss charitable ventures each month . That person gets an hour off the phone so I''m sure they wouldn't complain . I really need Ardrosses help with this bit because I have started to take a stand . Can you tell me how to go about contacting the law re: Can employers push their values onto you ?
 
Look out Merlin - according to some who have been banned from here, it is not allowed to mention the word "atacanta" on here!!!!!! So, you'd better watch your back........:eek: Then again, according to a comment posted on that site by someone also a forumite on here, I'm always telling people about my sex life.....that pearl came up in a recent thread where I was slagged off, again, nice!
 
Originally posted by solerina@May 24 2008, 10:35 PM
Can employers push their values onto you ?
Grey area, but under certain circumstances they can, depending on the T&C's you accepted employment under. Even then companies can change and adopt new policies which usually fall under the interpretation of "reasonable". You'd need to be more specific, but I'd tread carefully about spilling too much publicly.

There was a case involving a supermarket where the checkout assistant refused to work on the cigarette counter and sell the produce on grounds of principal I seem to recall. She was dismissed, but won her appeal given the mitigating circumstances she was under, as the employer was found to be making an unreasonable request having failed to show a duty of care to her circumstances.

If it involves pressurising staff for additional financial contributions above those which they are required to process by law, then i'd have thought they'd be on very thin ice. Non-compliance couldn't reasonably be interpreted as misconduct or failure to promote or comply with company policy in the event of incurring personal detriment I'd have thought
 
I think everyone is grown-up enough to acknowledge Atacanta and the reasons behind its creation. I think most on here wished they key players luck and I have seen little evidence of bad feeling. I hope it is water under the bridge now.

To the best of my knowledge nobody has ever been banned from here for mentioning any other site or forum (with the possible exception of some blatant spammers).

Many of our members are also members of Atacanta (and TRF, FF etc.) and it seems to work well.

No issue here.
 
It is also done by my company. It is a scheme called "Payroll giving" and they actually send someone to the shop to talk to the staff one at a time to try and convince them to give money from their wages to charity, i agree with SL, I give what I want when i want.
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@May 25 2008, 12:27 AM
Precisely - and the creation of it no doubt did this place a massive favour.
It did. Does he still post on Final Furlong as well.
 
Merlin, you didn't have to edit that out, it was a joke as it's simply not true that you can't mention "that place"!!!!
 
S-L I did do it in ATACANTA I never rushed it............ :P :D

QUOTE[Precisely - and the creation of it no doubt did this place a massive favour]

One can only endorse that too S-L
 
It's my best guess that the company gets a nice little tax break as well as all the reflected good publicity once they hit a charitable donation threshold? really quite ironic for a UK bank given some of their less than charitable practices. At least American banks can choose to pay a set amount of their profits back into local economic development programmes in return for tax breaks and seats in local fora of alleged influence.

It would be interesting to know who pays for the member of staff to come round with the electrodes and mind control techniques? New legislation was passed recently that should require a 'chugger' (charity bugger) for those who are unaware of the growth of this high street phenonemon to introduce themselves and explain what cut they personally get for every penny you donate etc

I wouldn't be surprised if the company has them on a PRP type contract thus incentivising them to try extract as much as they can from the members of staff who can least afford it. Why doesn't the bank try and get a motion passed at its AGM to forego 1% of it's dividend payment, or for the bosses to donate their share options or bonus payments for their sub-prime mortgage investment decisions.

As regards the issue of companies can legally expect you to do in terms of imposing their values? There are certain things like the 'promotion of equal opportunities and best work place practice' which are common to many public sector contracts. Conducting yourself in a way that is both legal and unlikely to bring the company into disrepute is another. Political restrictions is another thing that has been brought in the public sector (I'll let you guess by whom :laughing: ). Come to think of it, it was the same person who made Trade Union members organise and pay for ballots to decide if their members wanted to continue to pay a political levy. She never brought in similar shareholders to require companies who made political donations to obtain consent off their shareholders first.

A lot of football clubs make it a contractual condition now that playesr are supposed to give so many hours a week over to community good works and quasi charitable stuff. In truth this has more to do with promoting the clubs brand amongst potential customers, and the bank is probably doing like wise.

You do get strange ones though as witnessed this week, when Chris Bell decided that ladbrokes staff weren't to fly BA any longer in retaliation for his daughter being bumped off her club class reservation. Strictly speaking if he were signing the cheques by way of expenses claims, he could do that, but he couldn't insist on staff making their own personal arrangements in their own time (although I have heard of such situations of staff choosing to make personal purchases from rivals, using their market knowledge knowing that their own brand is inferior and of worst value) and getting in all sorts of trouble for it.

See if your Chief Exec will match out of his own pocket, what ever the staff raise Sols :P Somehow, i doubt he will
 
Nice to see you back Sols. I'd tell them to take a flying f*** to themselves, you earn the cash, you decide where it goes.

I don't agree that charity should be anything but voluntary. I'm already paying enough tax for stuff I don't wish to contribute towards as it is.
 
We do a lot of things for charity at my workplace. But the charities we choose do have significant meaning to us all. Two weeks ago we did a morning tea for the Cancer Council. One of my work colleagues organised it and it was dedicated to my mother, who as some of you know, has been battling cancer since September of last year. As a group we agreed to put in $10 each, and raised around $200. Our Managing Director, David, being the generous man he is, said he was going to triple whatever had been put into the kitty by the employees.

David is also the president of the National Autism Association in Australia, as his son has autism (unfortunately the worst case too). All the women at work last week were sent to a ladies luncheon called Moving Women. Again, being the charitable person he is, David paid for all of us to go. The funds raised were dispersed amongst organisations such as Riding for the Disabled Association (RDA), Autism Association, the Royal Blind Society etc.

I am all for donating to charity, but I do agree, offering money to such organisations is not something that should be enforced on a person. Its a personal choice. I have my own personal favourites that I donate to as I am sure every one does.

One of my pet hates, as is the case with a lot of people who suffer from cancer, are those people that stand out on the street with the vests on harrassing the general public to give money to their charity. Yes its all nice to earn money for these charities, but having people (usually backpackers who have taken the job because it pays good commission) standing out on a street harrassing the living hell out of people and following them down the street not having a clue what a person or their family deals with on a daily basis, is very shameful to say the least.
 
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