Chasers & Hurdlers 2014

Grasshopper

Grasshopper

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Hurdlers
More of That 173p
Jezki 171
Gemix 170
My Tent Or Yours 170
The New One 169
Un De Sceaux 168p
Hurricane Fly 168 :blink::ninja::whistle::confused::D
Faugheen 166p
Annie Power 165p
Solwhit 164


Chasers
Cue Card 180
Silviniaco Conti 176
Captain Chris 175
Sire De Grugy 172
Dynaste 171
Bobs Worth 169+
Menorah 169$
Boston Bob 165+
Tidal Bay 165
Harry Topper 165x
Last Instalment 164
Arvika Legionniere 163

Others
Vautour 158p
Holywell 158p
Champagne Fever 157p
Taquin De Seuil 157p
The Tullow Tank 153
 
The 50 to follow carries a long list of the ratings, if you dont want to shell out £450 or whatever it is

a very good read too
 
It costs £75 notes, EC1 - a figure we established as too spicy for clivex's soup several years back, hence he had to magpie one like the common jakester that he is. :D
 
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Always makes me curious when stayers are rated higher than others.

Let's face it, stayers wouldn't win Champion Hurdlers or Champion Chases and the best horses at the shortest trips are obviously the fastest horses.

It happens on the flat as well. I reckon Dayjur was probably the last sprinter to be the highest-rated horse of his year. I'm not sure even Master Minded managed that in his glory year.

Not saying the figures are wrong. Just that it always makes me think.
 
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Indeed. One could argue there isn't a huge amount of substance behind Sire de Grugy's form but then again 176 about SC isn't backed up with a whole lot of evidence.
 
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Euronymous said:
Indeed. One could argue there isn't a huge amount of substance behind Sire de Grugy's form but then again 176 about SC isn't backed up with a whole lot of evidence.
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If Silvi is too high, then you should be piling into Captain Chris on those ratings for the King George going right handed if Cue Card is the only opposition
 
Suspensory ligament injury that kept him out of the Gold Cup and Punchestown Euro.

Anybody got an update ? because even as a 10, pushing 11yo he'd be great e/w value at 25/1 around his favourite track if fully recovered.
 
Captain Chris barely gets 3m, and always gets found out in top company. The established staying chasers are not entirely convincing, I'd agree, but he's rising 11yo and there's enough decent ones progressing from the novice ranks, for me to comfortably draw a line through CC insofar as his King George chances are concerned.
 
Had no problem getting it last time he in ran in it Grass (2012) and it's unlikely the ground will be anything like as attritional this year.

In fact there's no evidence on form that he doesn't get it - interrupted prep before the previous years race, shocking round of jumping out to the right in the Gold Cup and a sloppy round of jumping in the Punchestown Gold Cup are the only other times he's attempted it.

He's certainly not what you could call unexposed but he appeared better than ever at the end of last season so on decent ground and at his favourite track, IF back to full health 25/1 is a fantastic e/w bet as I would be surprised if he didn't at least place.

Of the horses in front of him in the market; Silviniaco Conti has an obvious chance, Cue Card has more doubts over the trip than Captain Chris and wouldn't run if it turned really soft, Dynaste threw in a howler in last years race, Lord Windermere seems to only come alive at Cheltenham and Boston Bob, Al Ferof & Bobs Worth won't run.

Simonsig & Champagne Fever clearly have potental but are still very unknown quantities in this kind of race and for some reason I'm not a fan of the latter but either Holywell or Taquin Du Seuil would be of interest if they were targeted for it, although I can't see both running.

SC, Captain Chris and either Jonjo horse should they run would be my early picks for the places.
 
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Grasshopper said:
It costs £75 notes, EC1 - a figure we established as too spicy for clivex's soup several years back, hence he had to magpie one like the common jakester that he is. :D
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It was sent to me as unsolicited goods ill have you know

Have to say it is a cracking good read. Ill stick with the fifty to follow for now but wouldnt put anyone off it even at £675
 
wilsonl said:
Had no problem getting it last time he in ran in it Grass (2012) and it's unlikely the ground will be anything like as attritional this year.

In fact there's no evidence on form that he doesn't get it - interrupted prep before the previous years race, shocking round of jumping out to the right in the Gold Cup and a sloppy round of jumping in the Punchestown Gold Cup are the only other times he's attempted it.

He's certainly not what you could call unexposed but he appeared better than ever at the end of last season so on decent ground and at his favourite track, IF back to full health 25/1 is a fantastic e/w bet as I would be surprised if he didn't at least place.

Of the horses in front of him in the market; Silviniaco Conti has an obvious chance, Cue Card has more doubts over the trip than Captain Chris and wouldn't run if it turned really soft, Dynaste threw in a howler in last years race, Lord Windermere seems to only come alive at Cheltenham and Boston Bob, Al Ferof & Bobs Worth won't run.

Simonsig & Champagne Fever clearly have potental but are still very unknown quantities in this kind of race and for some reason I'm not a fan of the latter but either Holywell or Taquin Du Seuil would be of interest if they were targeted for it, although I can't see both running.

SC, Captain Chris and either Jonjo horse should they run would be my early picks for the places.
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Fair enough, Lee. My position on CC in terms of the trip, is primarily based around the fact that the 2012 King George was probably the lowest-class win in the race for about as long as I've been watching racing.

If there aren't better alternatives coming out of the novice ranks, then it's going to be a bad year for staying chasers (much like last season turned out, imo).
 
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Fair enough, Lee. My position on CC in terms of the trip, is primarily based around the fact that the 2012 King George was probably the lowest-class win in the race for about as long as I've been watching racing.

If there aren't better alternatives coming out of the novice ranks, then it's going to be a bad year for staying chasers (much like last season turned out, imo).
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Currently 10/1 the field for the Gold Cup with a horse (one that I like btw) who was beaten in class 4 beginners chases this time last year heading the market.

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wilsonl said:
Currently 10/1 the field for the Gold Cup with a horse (one that I like btw) who was beaten in class 4 beginners chases this time last year heading the market.

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Not entirely convinced those runs in Begginers Chases are something we need to particularly worry about, given his subsequent wins in an open Festival handicap, and a G1 novice at Aintree. Indeed, giventhe patent lack of a standout amongst the established chasers, that 10/1 could look very handsome in a couple of months time.
 
I agree but was using that fact to highlight the lack of alternatives as a positive for Captain Chris in the King George.

and Holywell doesn't strike me as a King George horse really - although as in my earlier post, I'd prefer him to a lot of the others - but I think he'll be an altogether different proposition come March.

Anyhow, it's a mute point really because I have no idea as to the wellbeing of Captain Chris following his injury.
 
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