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I'd say give Gentlemansgame's age and the fact he's been on 160 for some time, improvement is unlikely. Monty's is different but he took half the fences with him and will improve past him soon but I would be more inclined to rate the run the other dia via the former.

RPRs have GG running to the same mark as at Aintree (162). That day Ahoy Senor ran to 170 [RPR]. If he had repeated that run he'd have been a clear third and people would be using him to peg back the form.

I also see RPRs are giving GDC 13lbs for beating GG 12 lengths, which is nonsense unless they're allowing some kind of mark-up. 12 lengths is 9lbs.

RPRs have also given the winner 20lbs for 18 lengths over GG. It should be more like 13 or 14. (I'd go with the latter for the manner of victory.)

We'll see what the handicapper does on Tuesday. My money is on 175/176. That would make him no more than an average winner but he's young and entitled to improve another 10lbs into next season if the National doesn't bottom him.

<blockquote data-quote="Desert Orchid" data-source="post: 2696406" data-attributes="member: 65242">I&#039;d say give Gentlemansgame&#039;s age and the fact he&#039;s been on 160 for some time, improvement is unlikely. Monty&#039;s is different but he took half the fences with him and will improve past him soon but I would be more inclined to rate the run the other dia via the former.RPRs have GG running to the same mark as at Aintree (162). That day Ahoy Senor ran to 170 [RPR]. If he had repeated that run he&#039;d have been a clear third and people would be using him to peg back the form.I also see RPRs are giving GDC 13lbs for beating GG 12 lengths, which is nonsense unless they&#039;re allowing some kind of mark-up. 12 lengths is 9lbs.RPRs have also given the winner 20lbs for 18 lengths over GG. It should be more like 13 or 14. (I&#039;d go with the latter for the manner of victory.)We&#039;ll see what the handicapper does on Tuesday. My money is on 175/176. That would make him no more than an average winner but he&#039;s young and entitled to improve another 10lbs into next season if the National doesn&#039;t bottom him.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desert Orchid, post: 2696406, member: 65242"] I'd say give Gentlemansgame's age and the fact he's been on 160 for some time, improvement is unlikely. Monty's is different but he took half the fences with him and will improve past him soon but I would be more inclined to rate the run the other dia via the former. RPRs have GG running to the same mark as at Aintree (162). That day Ahoy Senor ran to 170 [RPR]. If he had repeated that run he'd have been a clear third and people would be using him to peg back the form. I also see RPRs are giving GDC 13lbs for beating GG 12 lengths, which is nonsense unless they're allowing some kind of mark-up. 12 lengths is 9lbs. RPRs have also given the winner 20lbs for 18 lengths over GG. It should be more like 13 or 14. (I'd go with the latter for the manner of victory.) We'll see what the handicapper does on Tuesday. My money is on 175/176. That would make him no more than an average winner but he's young and entitled to improve another 10lbs into next season if the National doesn't bottom him. [/QUOTE]

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