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It occurred to me a few minutes ago that Hawk Wing's Lockinge was rated up in the stratosphere by my good self on literal lines with the well-beaten horses. I then wondered if, since HW didn't really hit that kind of level again, he'd been over-rated at Newbury and if, in the same way, I was guilty of over-rating STS and RVW yesterday.

The big difference is probably that HW ended up with a slow overall time. I think he went too fast in the first half mile (he made all, remember) and the others killed themselves trying to keep up against a vastly superior rival who slowed down less in the second half than the others.

The fact that STS (and RVW) ran such a fast time yesterday leads me to beliee the form is totally solid.

Songsheet, I don't disagree that STS had more in the tank. I just think it doesn't make sense for people to use expressions like 'toying' with the runner-up when he was whipped five times in the closing stages. I could never back Rip to beat STS again at any distance.

<blockquote data-quote="Desert Orchid" data-source="post: 2206218" data-attributes="member: 65242">It occurred to me a few minutes ago that Hawk Wing&#039;s Lockinge was rated up in the stratosphere by my good self on literal lines with the well-beaten horses. I then wondered if, since HW didn&#039;t really hit that kind of level again, he&#039;d been over-rated at Newbury and if, in the same way, I was guilty of over-rating STS and RVW yesterday.&nbsp;The big difference is probably that HW ended up with a slow overall time. I think he went too fast in the first half mile (he made all, remember) and the others killed themselves trying to keep up against a vastly superior rival who slowed down less in the second half than the others.&nbsp;The fact that STS (and RVW) ran such a fast time yesterday leads me to beliee the form is totally solid.&nbsp;Songsheet, I don&#039;t disagree that STS had more in the tank. I just think it doesn&#039;t make sense for people to use expressions like &#039;toying&#039; with the runner-up when he was whipped five times in the closing stages. I could never back Rip to beat STS again at any distance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desert Orchid, post: 2206218, member: 65242"] It occurred to me a few minutes ago that Hawk Wing's Lockinge was rated up in the stratosphere by my good self on literal lines with the well-beaten horses. I then wondered if, since HW didn't really hit that kind of level again, he'd been over-rated at Newbury and if, in the same way, I was guilty of over-rating STS and RVW yesterday. The big difference is probably that HW ended up with a slow overall time. I think he went too fast in the first half mile (he made all, remember) and the others killed themselves trying to keep up against a vastly superior rival who slowed down less in the second half than the others. The fact that STS (and RVW) ran such a fast time yesterday leads me to beliee the form is totally solid. Songsheet, I don't disagree that STS had more in the tank. I just think it doesn't make sense for people to use expressions like 'toying' with the runner-up when he was whipped five times in the closing stages. I could never back Rip to beat STS again at [I]any[/I] distance. [/QUOTE]

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