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He wasn't really trained for the Guineas, though. That's my point as far as that race is concerned. He wasn't even given a hard race in it yet wasn't beaten far and my immediate post-race comment was to say it was a very impressive performance by STS. The race appears to have knocked Delegator backwards for his next run and GA, it seems, still hasn't recovered.

I reckon you can write off the Derby. The horse was an unlikely stayer, was ridden like one and was also given far too much to do in a race the yard tried to tee up for it, to the point of sacrificing the chances of their true stayer FAG.

I think it's pretty obvious that if he'd been trained for the Guineas he'd have been a good second to STS and he really shouldn't have been sent to Epsom but clearly they felt he was better by some way to FAG. The plan failed.

I accept I will come across as making excuses and coming up with scenarios to suit the figures I've come up with for Saturday. I'm OK with that. I've done it before and I've been right. I've done it before and I've been wrong. Time will tell.

<blockquote data-quote="Desert Orchid" data-source="post: 2206311" data-attributes="member: 65242">He wasn&#039;t really trained for the Guineas, though. That&#039;s my point as far as that race is concerned. He wasn&#039;t even given a hard race in it yet wasn&#039;t beaten far and my immediate post-race comment was to say it was a very impressive performance by STS. The race appears to have knocked Delegator backwards for his next run and GA, it seems, still hasn&#039;t recovered.&nbsp;I reckon you can write off the Derby. The horse was an unlikely stayer, was ridden like one and was also given far too much to do in a race the yard tried to tee up for it, to the point of sacrificing the chances of their true stayer FAG.&nbsp;I think it&#039;s pretty obvious that if he&#039;d been trained for the Guineas he&#039;d have been a good second to STS and he really shouldn&#039;t have been sent to Epsom but clearly they felt he was better by some way to FAG. The plan failed.&nbsp;I accept I will come across as making excuses and coming up with scenarios to suit the figures I&#039;ve come up with for Saturday. I&#039;m OK with that. I&#039;ve done it before and I&#039;ve been right. I&#039;ve done it before and I&#039;ve been wrong. Time will tell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desert Orchid, post: 2206311, member: 65242"] He wasn't really trained for the Guineas, though. That's my point as far as that race is concerned. He wasn't even given a hard race in it yet wasn't beaten far and my immediate post-race comment was to say it was a very impressive performance by STS. The race appears to have knocked Delegator backwards for his next run and GA, it seems, still hasn't recovered. I reckon you can write off the Derby. The horse was an unlikely stayer, was ridden like one and was also given far too much to do in a race the yard tried to tee up for it, to the point of sacrificing the chances of their true stayer FAG. I think it's pretty obvious that if he'd been trained for the Guineas he'd have been a good second to STS and he really shouldn't have been sent to Epsom but clearly they felt he was better by some way to FAG. The plan failed. I accept I will come across as making excuses and coming up with scenarios to suit the figures I've come up with for Saturday. I'm OK with that. I've done it before and I've been right. I've done it before and I've been wrong. Time will tell. [/QUOTE]

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