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I'm not that down on Nashwan, Steve. Nashwan was a top class horse. I'm just not convinced he was any better than many other top class horses, whereas I think STS is.

What's holding my argument back for other people is Rip's proximity to STS. I think time will show STS put up an even more impressive performance than even I believe it to have been when Rip reappears.

However, I have to take issue with one or two things you say.

Opening Verse was not extraordinarily good the season he was second in the Eclipse. He was in fact very ordinary. I'm not convinced Opening Verse's pace was as fast as JW claims. The camera angles at the start of the straight are different and he's working from very old VT which may mave been edited.

Indian Skimmer never raced again so there has to bea doubt about her having run to form. Maybe she was carrying an injury that day?

I'm going back up the loft. I'm determined to find the form book for 1989. In those days I was working via the weekly Handicap Book/Update pullouts and adding the figures etc into the annual when it came out. When I find it I hope to be able to do a time comparison with the rest of ther aces that season. I've found the Raceform Notebok for that season but not the form book itself, which was published separately.

For the record, Nashwan was a top class horse. I'm not convinced it was a top class Eclipse that year.

<blockquote data-quote="Desert Orchid" data-source="post: 2206385" data-attributes="member: 65242">I&#039;m not that down on Nashwan, Steve. Nashwan was a top class horse. I&#039;m just not convinced he was any better than many other top class horses, whereas I think STS is.&nbsp;What&#039;s holding my argument back for other people is Rip&#039;s proximity to STS. I think time will show STS put up an even more impressive performance than even I believe it to have been when Rip reappears.&nbsp;However, I have to take issue with one or two things you say.&nbsp;Opening Verse was not extraordinarily good the season he was second in the Eclipse. He was in fact very ordinary. I&#039;m not convinced Opening Verse&#039;s pace was as fast as JW claims. The camera angles at the start of the straight are different and he&#039;s working from very old VT which may mave been edited.&nbsp;Indian Skimmer never raced again so there has to bea&nbsp; doubt about her having run to form. Maybe she was carrying an injury that day?&nbsp;I&#039;m going back up the loft. I&#039;m determined to find the form book for 1989. In those days I was working via the weekly Handicap Book/Update pullouts and adding the figures etc into the annual when it came out. When I find it I hope to be able to do a time comparison with the rest of ther aces that season. I&#039;ve found the Raceform Notebok for that season but not the form book itself, which was published separately.&nbsp;For the record, Nashwan was a top class horse. I&#039;m not convinced it was a top class Eclipse that year.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desert Orchid, post: 2206385, member: 65242"] I'm not [I]that[/I] down on Nashwan, Steve. Nashwan was a top class horse. I'm just not convinced he was any better than many other top class horses, whereas I think STS is. What's holding my argument back for other people is Rip's proximity to STS. I think time will show STS put up an even more impressive performance than even I believe it to have been when Rip reappears. However, I have to take issue with one or two things you say. Opening Verse was not extraordinarily good the season he was second in the Eclipse. He was in fact very ordinary. I'm not convinced Opening Verse's pace was as fast as JW claims. The camera angles at the start of the straight are different and he's working from very old VT which may mave been edited. Indian Skimmer never raced again so there has to bea doubt about her having run to form. Maybe she was carrying an injury that day? I'm going back up the loft. I'm determined to find the form book for 1989. In those days I was working via the weekly Handicap Book/Update pullouts and adding the figures etc into the annual when it came out. When I find it I hope to be able to do a time comparison with the rest of ther aces that season. I've found the Raceform Notebok for that season but not the form book itself, which was published separately. For the record, Nashwan was a top class horse. I'm not convinced it was a top class Eclipse that year. [/QUOTE]

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