Ellie And Maddie

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Madeline is missing. We have 11 pages (and rising) of discussion regarding the whereabouts of the Doctors daughter.

Ellie is dead. Torn asunder by a pit bull that her unemployed Granny, nicely topped up with two bottles of wine, ten joints and probably a dabble of smack, let in to the house. It is unknown if she got the gear from her drug dealing son, although it wouldn't be hard to come by on those sink estates.

Pages of discussion on Ellie. Zero. Nada. Nyet.

Just wondering, thats all.
 
We did talk about a good deal at the time, mainly in relation to the keeping of clearly dangerous dogs in the home.

The real travesties of justice are that Jackie Simpson walks free and that they can't bring manslaughter charges against Kiel Simpson despite it being his dog.

Thankfully most of the family have seen sense including Ellie's aunt Kelsey who gave evidence in court and her parents who've moved away from JS.
 
Don't think it's got anything to do with class to be honest.

It's quite simple.

One case was quick, conclusively open and shut, and over with in a few minutes. The other's turned into protracted whodunit that's run over many months, and far from showing any sign of slowing up, seems to offer a new twist and turn every day. There was a time when the whole Maddie media circus went quiet, and TH traffic did slow down too. Since then of course it's blown right back open, and left many of us confused given the 101 possibilities (some of which are seemingly incredulous).

It might be that in the absence of fact under Portugese secrecy laws and environment has inadvertantly been created that allows feral speculation to take particularly virulent root. If the truth is kept from people, then speculation and invention will usually follow. My experience of such fevered environments is that the invention is never as bad as the actual, when it eventually comes to light.
 
they can't bring manslaughter charges against Kiel Simpson despite it being his dog.
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Did you hear the guy from the CPS on the news last night giving the reasons why? They didn't prosecute him because a) he wasn't there (!) and b) he thought there was no reason why the illegal crazed animal outside should get into the house.

The worst thing about the case? The simple detail that the attack lasted for half an hour.
 
The owner should also have been prosecuted, since it's ILLEGAL to keep these dogs, and as we all know they are kept for fighting, and are lethal weapons - whether against dogs or humans.

There was a programme on the local dog fighting scene made by one of those undercover reporters, which was aired about two weeks ago; it was riveting. The real scandal is, that the police - inc the Liverpool police - knew there were dozens of these dogs being walked around in, and kept on, esp Council estates in various parts of the country, particularly Liverpool; and yet did nothing to confiscate them until this tragedy happened. They are being brought in from Finland and Eastern Europe - very easily, under manifestly wrong vet's certificates calling them boxer or staffie crosses. The reporters got one in with no trouble which they'd bought in Finland; it had fighting scars on it!

After the death of Ellie, there was a huge crackdown and dozens of these dogs were brought in - but why were running around anyway? It's sheer cowardice on the part of the police to ignore these things.

The second scandal is, the dog had attacked before - so why wasn't it put down at the time, esp as it was obviously a banned breed?

Finally, it's very easy to kill a dog if you really need to. I've got a Great Dane off my Ibiza hound [kick to the side of the head, which allowed my guy to run free] and a 'bas rouge' [a kind of French guard dog which looks like a doberman/rottweiler cross] off my collie in the same manner, and again - same dog! - with a pitchfork... If I'd been in the house I would have put a strong kitchen knife between the shoulders or into the ribs. These two dogs were much bigger than Reuben; but I wasn't going top stand by and watch my best friend torn apart. A child???

The other way to kill a dog, and it's useful to know if one jumps for your throat, is to pull its front legs apart with all your strength - which bursts the tendons and sometimes the heart.

This woman didn't even have the guts to kill the thing - in half an hour

:ph34r:
 
I thought the owner was prosecuted? but only be charged with possession, which although he was found guilty of possessing a dangerous dog etc only carried a few months sentance.
 
I saw a similar program (maybe the same one HS) the other week made by BBC Northern Ireland I think which showed a certain high profile GAA player mixed up in the dog fighting, the shipping of dogs from Northern Ireland to the Republic and Britain and them going on various trips to Finland to see the dogs fighting :(

The last scene was particularly bad :(
 
IS, yes that was the same programme. It's easy enough to get dogs into Ireland and then over the N/S border, then once in the North which is the UK, it's as easy as kiss your hand to get them over the water to Liverpool. That programme will stay in my mind for a long time
 
I guess the Police are probably working to targets - how many of those relate to an illegal pit bull or a Japanese Toza compared to Class A drugs etc?

Are people more concerned about the stacks of crack cocaine and drugs on the streets or some chap in a back alley with a fighting dog?

Did shock me how easily the RSPCA and Police managed to raid houses etc. all over St. Helens, Liverpool and Widnes shortly after Ellie's death yet very little since.

Surely it's not too hard to confirm that the dog in question is either a) legal or b) illegal?
 
I am obviously exempt of course AC, as if I had commented on it, it would have drawn comments about where I actually hail from.
 
How does the law treat pit bull crosses does anyone know? only i saw a pair of dogs in a somerset town yesterday that had a clear pitbull head, only they were a bit smaller. Seen pitbulls on the streets in hammersmith too, they're everywhere.

Sam
 
5 Seizure, entry of premises and evidence (1) A constable or an officer of a local authority authorised by it to exercise the powers conferred by this subsection may seize—


(a) any dog which appears to him to be a dog to which section 1 above applies and which is in a public place—


Relates to section 1 which states:

Dogs bred for fighting (1) This section applies to—
(a) any dog of the type known as the pit bull terrier;
(b) any dog of the type known as the Japanese tosa; and
© any dog of any type designated for the purposes of this section by an order of the Secretary of State, being a type appearing to him to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose.
(2) No person shall—
(a) breed, or breed from, a dog to which this section applies;


I guess it would be illegal if it's bred directly from a Pit Bull etc.
 
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