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Bruce

I've been making final time figures for years..i know their strengths and weaknesses

Final times don't tell you anywhere near enough as much as sectionals...if they did..i wouldn't go to the trouble of recording them..why would i?

For instance..the 12f races on Derby Derby all had slower than even pace..but if you assume one was truly run you overrate all 3 using traditional methods if you take all three in isolation

the finishing speed calculation tells you that all 3 were in the 114% range..which isn't fast enough early to give any of the 3 winners a top figure

in fact if you calculate a going allowance using the other races..bar the 5f race which is run on a different side of the rack..normally faster due to drainage away from it..you will get a going allowance that shows all three 12f race do not contain a fast overall time..that is backed up by the % finishing speed figures as well

the sectionals break the race down so you can measure acceleration at the end compared to the energy used early..you have not a prayer of measuring that off final time figures

<blockquote data-quote="EC1" data-source="post: 2394723" data-attributes="member: 65360">BruceI&#039;ve been making final time figures for years..i know their strengths and weaknessesFinal times don&#039;t tell you anywhere near enough as much as sectionals...if they did..i wouldn&#039;t go to the trouble of recording them..why would i?For instance..the 12f races on Derby Derby all had slower than even pace..but if you assume one was truly run you overrate all 3 using traditional methods if you take all three in isolationthe finishing speed calculation tells you that all 3 were in the 114% range..which isn&#039;t fast enough early to give any of the 3 winners a top figurein fact if you calculate a going allowance using the other races..bar the 5f race which is run on a different side of the rack..normally faster due to drainage away from it..you will get a going allowance that shows all three 12f race do not contain a fast overall time..that is backed up by the % finishing speed figures as wellthe sectionals break the race down so you can measure acceleration at the end compared to the energy used early..you have not a prayer of measuring that off final time figures</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EC1, post: 2394723, member: 65360"] Bruce I've been making final time figures for years..i know their strengths and weaknesses Final times don't tell you anywhere near enough as much as sectionals...if they did..i wouldn't go to the trouble of recording them..why would i? For instance..the 12f races on Derby Derby all had slower than even pace..but if you assume one was truly run you overrate all 3 using traditional methods if you take all three in isolation the finishing speed calculation tells you that all 3 were in the 114% range..which isn't fast enough early to give any of the 3 winners a top figure in fact if you calculate a going allowance using the other races..bar the 5f race which is run on a different side of the rack..normally faster due to drainage away from it..you will get a going allowance that shows all three 12f race do not contain a fast overall time..that is backed up by the % finishing speed figures as well the sectionals break the race down so you can measure acceleration at the end compared to the energy used early..you have not a prayer of measuring that off final time figures [/QUOTE]

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