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Those of us who have known for a while now that keeping cannabis illegal is non sensical get some restbite in the form of a commons select committee who will say the war on drugs isn't working tomorrow, I gleaned this info from the front page of the Daily Mail of all things today.

I think people on the right need to understand the seriousness of the issue, put aside their ideological beliefs, and realise in reality it just isn't practical to keep thai-weed illegal:)

This thread has not been set up for another debate, its all about us pro-decriminalisationals' medalling in the glory of what people power can achieve. Young Marble has been telling everyone man, woman and dog about this for a few years now, as I know many others have.

And I should add I don't smoke illegal substances regularly anymore! I probably have one puff a year now and thats when I visit my old friends back home in London!:)
 
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Smoking weed is a way of life and not a very productive one. Legal or illegal I pity the dopes that smoke it.
 
I'm generalising when I shouldn't be but my experience of seeing people in there 20s 'on tick' every week for €50/€100 was depressing.
 
I've got a few friends who i don't see often now they're skinning up as they have to have a spliff to take the kids to school.When i was working there was always someone having spliffs at work,the one lad i know he sits in all day smoking weed and he's been doing that for 20 years.I don't smoke anymore i used to by a 1/4 a month of skunk for my girlfriend going back 7/8 years ago she would have a smoke at the weekend when we were out and going onto clubs and after parties:whistle::lol:.
They should also legalize mdma it's not dangerous very few people have died fromit,i took it for 10 years and never even saw anyone seriously ill or die,although some were stupid enough to totally dehydrate.I reckon they should test it and sell it in the clubs,will stop all these crazy artifical dangerous drugs coming in plus it takes the fighting and big drinkers away that cause all the trouble.If you go to a proper club,which i did for yeasrs plus raves you never saw any trouble,it's impossible to cause trouble when you're off your tits on mdma and you meet loads of new people who become lifetime friends.;)
 
I've smoked cannabis regularly for getting on for 25 years, and throughout that time have held-down a good job, been a good parent to my kids, a good husband to my wife, and I have run a moderately-succesful limited company for the last five years.

As with all intoxicants, some can handle it better than others. It all depends on your psychological and physiological make-up - it's not a case of Good or Bad.

And it goes without saying that cannabis causes a lot less social-grief than the freely-available drug alcohol.
 
All commendable Grass but why do you need a drug to enhance it ?

Could you not have done all that without it ?
 
Why does anyone need anything 'extra', DG?

Ciggies, bevvy, thrill-seeking-sports, betting on horse-racing......everybody tends to have something 'extra-curricular' that they do, to overcome the hum-drum that life offers. Cannabis (which is a very 'soft' drug) is just another option.

That's the way I see it anyway. The propaganda surrounding cannabis use bears no reflection whatsoever to its 'impact' on my life.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their position on it. I'm only trying to demonstrate that it's possible to be a net-contributor if you do use it. Not everyone who smokes it is a benefit-sponger with no motivation to do anything other than smoke (though I won't deny there are users who fit that profile).

Hope this helps articulate an alternative position re this drug. :cool:
 
Nicely put, Grass.

Don't see a lot of difference (speaking as a non-smoker but not a non-drinker here) in lighting one up after a stressful/tiring day to having a pint or a whisky.
Just a means of chilling out.
 
Diamond Geezer, I'd never argue cannabis use is 'good', the same way viewing porno everyday is 'good', or being anti-social is 'good'.

Its one of those things that people do, and my thoughts for a few years now are that what causes the main problem is the black market sub culture in cannabis.

Skunk is still a contentious issue due to whats known as the levels of 'THC' that go in it, and you won't find many in the social work or mental health professions that want it legalised.

But surely you can't form a whole drugs policy and legal system because a few people, (and I wouldn't call these people low lifes or scroungers either), took ill after smoking it.

I am for a sensible approach, that would involve the legalisation of normal weed or hashish, to adults over the age 18. Part of the problem is drugs are glamourised, and because they are illegal you get kids aged 14 wanting to take them. I know I wasn't the only one with this desire at that age (sadly).

I know all the counter arguments to legalisation, but in my view they are seriously unprogressive.
 
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I absolutely oppose any legalization of cannabis.
I do not want to see any government anywhere legitimating the use of this addictive drug and getting tax from the sale of it .................. in effect the government becoming a drug dealer itself.

My life has been blighted enough by the legal availability of alcohol; I dread what would have been the scenario had cannabis been purchasable over the counter.

Legalising any cannabinoid, opiate or any other psychoactive drug would create severe adverse effects on society in general, imho.
Cannabis is undoubtedly a gateway drug; the OP has admitted to as much in his last posting.
 
Eh?

When did I say anything about it being a gateway drug? What are you talking about?
 
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Hash isn't the worst drug.

I remember seeing a documentary 12 years about a drug that literally makes you puke your pelvis bone up. They tested the stuff on rats, and they turned into space hoppers. It affects your time perception. A second can feel like a month. Sounds like fun, unless you are the teenager in Prague who got run over by a tram. He thought he had a month to cross the road.
 
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I absolutely oppose any legalization of cannabis.
I do not want to see any government anywhere legitimating the use of this addictive drug and getting tax from the sale of it .................. in effect the government becoming a drug dealer itself.

My life has been blighted enough by the legal availability of alcohol; I dread what would have been the scenario had cannabis been purchasable over the counter.

Legalising any cannabinoid, opiate or any other psychoactive drug would create severe adverse effects on society in general, imho.
Cannabis is undoubtedly a gateway drug; the OP has admitted to as much in his last posting.
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Some corrections needed here.

Cannabis is not an addictive drug - or at least no more so than alcohol (and less so than tobacco)

Launching canabbis into the same pile as opiates etc is lazy.

Cannabis is only a 'gateway' drug in the sense that you need to mix with the underworld (to a greater or lesser degree) to get hold of it. Otherwise, the statement is incorrect - cannabis use does not automatically result in other recreational drug participation. Indeed, cannabis users generally want a totally different 'high' to those using Ecsatsy, coke etc.
 
Marble said:
Eh?

When did I say anything about it being a gateway drug? What are you talking about?
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Oh, but you did ! In your 11:13 post.
Then you went and edited that post and removed the relevant remarks after I had made my post.. Neat little trick, that is. :nono:

To summate, you said that you suffered a mental breakdown after a period of ingesting cannabis, and that your friends subsequently progressed to harder Class A drugs. They became "degenerate", are the words you used, I believe.
 
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Cannabis is not an addictive drug
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That is purely a subjective position.
For every one of you, Grassy, that blessedly swerved the unpleasant consequences of using the substance, I could show a dozen who are addicted or who progressed to harder drug use.

There is ample evidence that cannabis is psychologically addictive.
If it were not addictive why would drug treatment centres be reporting a 100% increase (over the past decade) of cannabis users seeking help to quit?
 
Icebraker, I have edited my post specifically relating to my friend, as I don't want his story to be knocked about like a volley ball for you and others to make comment on, as if you didn't understand what I was trying to say in the first instance there is no point in carrying the discussion about him on. I never (ever) said he took Class A drugs, I catagorically did not say that. I'm afraid you have imagined that one, sir.

You obviously thought because I mentioned the fact he is now dead, that he must have took class A drugs, which is not true. He took his own life for reasons I don't think anyone really knows. If drugs played any part in him taking his own life which I think is unclear anyway, then what I was saying is that a different approach to drugs in this country, especially cannabis, would have potentially saved him a lot of bother as opposed to causing it for him. As I say, I'm big enough to know that I'm not here to play games with you or anyone else.

Yes, I smoked cannabis heavily in my youth, probably way too young, but again if I was to solely form my whole opinion on the subject based on this fact then I'd be basing all my other viewpoints and opinions on life based on my own good and bad experiences of life. Like a lamb following where the easiest viewpoint takes me. I am not like that, never have been and never will be. I always try to take everything relevent into consideration, apart from when punting on the horses:)

I'm 27 now, half way through completing a degree which I'm fascinated by, hoping to work in the racing media one day and thats that. I am a successful individual in life so no need to talk down to me.
 
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icebreaker said:
That is purely a subjective position.
For every one of you, Grassy, that blessedly swerved the unpleasant consequences of using the substance, I could show a dozen who are addicted or who progressed to harder drug use.

There is ample evidence that cannabis is psychologically addictive.
If it were not addictive why would drug treatment centres be reporting a 100% increase (over the past decade) of cannabis users seeking help to quit?
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Some people are pre-disposed to addiction, and others not.

I'd imagine that those presenting themselves at treatment centres, would be doing their spondools on something else that was bad for them, in the absence of cannabis.

And besides, for every one person presenting themselves for treatment, there are a thousand others who have no issue with it whatsoever.

It's the Leah Betts mind-set of "Bad for one, Bad for all" that is nonsense, and which prevents any proper, adult discussion on the subject.
 
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Icebraker, I have edited my post specifically relating to my friend, as I don't fancy his sotry be knocked about like a volley ball for you and others to make comment on. And I never said he took Class A drugs, I catagorically did not say that.
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You have edited THREE of your posts all in the space of under 15 minutes of each other!
It's getting so that I will have to take proofing screenshots of your future posts before replying to them.

So, a few bullet points ...............
* You did say that your friend progressed to Heroin from smoking cannabis. What is Heroin but a Class A drug ?
* I am certainly not using this person's death as any kind of a volley ball to knock about. You have brought his death into the public domain, not me.
All that I mentioned in my initial 11:41 post that referenced you was that a reasonable interpretation of your own and your friends cannabis smoking experiences was that it was a gateway drug.

'Y'know, I think this discussion is going in a regrettable direction. Maybe we should move on and get back to the core debate.
 
Right, did anyone out there see this illuminating part of my post on the first page where I said my friend used heroin?

I'll go to sleep tonight knowing I'm right, and that you don't even need to take drugs to make things up!

Can admin please unedit my posts specifically on the first page of this thread so I can get an apology from Mr Icebreaker a.s.a.p which as the gentleman he is I'm sure he'll be happy to offer.

ps, this post was edited for grammatical purposes:)
 
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This is post icebreaker refers to
marble said:
diamond geezer, i'd never argue cannabis use is 'good', the same way viewing porno everyday is 'good', or being anti-social is 'good'.

Its one of those things that people do, and my thoughts for a few years now are that what causes the main problem is the black market sub culture in cannabis.

Skunk is still a contentious issue due to whats known as the levels of 'thc' that go in it, and you won't find many in the social work or mental health professions that want it legalised.

But surely you can't form a whole drugs policy and legal system because a few people, (and i wouldn't call these people low lifes or scroungers either), took ill after smoking it.

I am for a sensible approach, that would involve the legalisation of normal weed or hashish, to adults over the age 18. Part of the problem is drugs are glamourised, and because they are illegal you get kids aged 14 wanting to take them. I know i wasn't the only one with this desire at that age (sadly).

I know all the counter arguments to legalisation, but in my view they are seriously unprogressive.
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