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Maybe not near their best but plenty appear to be doubting P&C was ever as good as he seemed last year and, as I detailed elsewhere, it is not hard to argue that the Triumph form is every bit as good as it looked at the time. It's just looking -so far - that the front three have not made the same level of progress, if any, as those who ended up well beaten.

But we've also had the shittiest winter for bad ground.

[QUOTE="Desert Orchid, post: 2541433, member: 65242"] Maybe not near their best but plenty appear to be doubting P&C was ever as good as he seemed last year and, as I detailed elsewhere, it is not hard to argue that the Triumph form is every bit as good as it looked at the time. It's just looking -so far - that the front three have not made the same level of progress, if any, as those who ended up well beaten. But we've also had the shittiest winter for bad ground. [/QUOTE]

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