fuckin' beelin'

Desert Orchid

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What the fvck have the RP people done with the site?

I can't access 'at a glance' cards (there doesn't seem to be any) and when I try to copy and paste the new format cards the horses just list down the page taking up acres of room.

It's totally unworkable for me.
 
It was as usual when I visited earlier today but when I went in a few minutes ago it was completely changed. A pop-up message explained the new look and I can see that a majority of punters will want the cards to come up first and foremost.

That's not what bothers me.

If I can't access the cards in 'at a glance' format the whole idea of studying the form becomes cumbersome to the point of pointless for me. It takes me long enough as it is but the idea of taking two or three times longer to lay out cards that I can work from would just pish me off.
 
Thanks, DG.

I tried a wee while ago. It's better than the RP site but it still takes up too much room on the page. I'd need a page per race for that format and I'm used to getting three or four races on one page.

The problem is more what happens further down the line, once I add in my own ratings and annotations.

I already feel like packing everything in. I've spent the last hour trying t find a site that will present the cards without any fancy format, which is what the at-a-glance RP cards did.

I've let the RP people know in no uncertain terms what I think of the changes.

:mad:
 

I needed to go into the individual cards for that, archie, thanks.

It's slightly different but the problem of copying and pasting to Word remains: it lists everything down the page instead of as it appears on the screen.

I've tried every other site I can find via a google search to no avail. Everything comes out huge and unmanageable. (Titter ye not.)

I managed to copy & past the Long Walk from (I think) the SL site but that one race takes up half a page. I plan to experiment with adding my own stuff later to see what happens.
 
What the fvck have the RP people done with the site?

I can't access 'at a glance' cards (there doesn't seem to be any) and when I try to copy and paste the new format cards the horses just list down the page taking up acres of room.

It's totally unworkable for me.
The have been working on a beta for a while. Its doesnt work properly in SAFARI and Bert Miltingpoop said i should just upgrade my OS.... erse.
 
Dessie, would you be willing to put a sample of a past race you've managed to paste and annotate using the old format ?. If so perhaps somebody could offer a suggestion as how to achieve the same thing with either the new format or from an alternative source.
 
Absolutely, wilsonl.

(Takes a couple of minutes to find a race in which he actually called things right!)

SAN 3.00 TINGLE CREEK CHASE (GRADE 1) (CLASS 1) (4yo+) Winner £84,405 6 runners 1m7f119y Good CH4
[TABLE="width: 652"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD]NO.[/TD]
[TD]FORM[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]HORSE[/TD]
[TD]AGE[/TD]
[TD]WGT[/TD]
[TD]TRAINER RTF%[/TD]
[TD]JOCKEY[/TD]
[TD]OR[/TD]
[TD]TS[/TD]
[TD]MON
11-7[/TD]
[TD]Notes[/TD]
[TD]RPR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]122-16[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Un De Sceaux[SUP]174[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]11-7[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[SUP]46[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]R Walsh[/TD]
[TD]169[/TD]
[TD]162[/TD]
[TD]173[/TD]
[TD]+[/TD]
[TD]179[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]284-71[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Sire De Grugy[SUP]14[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]11-7[/TD]
[TD]Gary Moore[SUP]36[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]Jamie Moore[/TD]
[TD]166[/TD]
[TD]161[/TD]
[TD]172[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]177[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]61111-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ar Mad[SUP]292[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]11-7[/TD]
[TD]Gary Moore[SUP]36[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]Joshua Moore[/TD]
[TD]157[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[TD]168[/TD]
[TD]? +?[/TD]
[TD]171[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]41-123[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]God´s Own[SUP]14[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]11-7[/TD]
[TD]Tom George[SUP]59[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]A P Heskin[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[TD]156[/TD]
[TD]166[/TD]
[TD]+p[/TD]
[TD]177[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]4F5-35[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Vibrato Valtat[SUP]14[/SUP]tp[SUP]1[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]11-7[/TD]
[TD]Paul Nicholls[SUP]52[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]Sam Twiston-Davies[/TD]
[TD]157[/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[TD]163[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]169[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]5-1481[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Sir Valentino[SUP]32[/SUP]t[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]11-7[/TD]
[TD]Tom George[SUP]59[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]Noel Fehily[/TD]
[TD]151[/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[TD]151[/TD]
[TD]o[/TD]
[TD]161[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]

I’ll just be watching this race. Un de Sceaux is the one to beat but I’d love to see Ar Mad do him. I don’t imagine we should read anything into Jamie Moore’s riding Sire De Grugy as Joshua is Ar Mad’s regular partner.


It looks quite different on here compared with how it looks on my Word [2003] document, mind.
 
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Its a beta site isn't it? Main site still in operation but i'd agree, at first glance its a bit of a mess.
 
Nope.

The link took me straight to the beta shite.

I tried deleting 'beta' and inserting 'www' but it took me straight to the beta shite again.

I did manage to access the old site via IE but then it stopped responding.

Fvckin bastertin RP. I suppose cancelling my subscription will save me a couple of quid but it will cause me no end of grief. Seriously want just to pack it all in now.
 
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Nope.

The link took me straight to the beta shite.

I tried deleting 'beta' and inserting 'www' but it took me straight to the beta shite again.

I did manage to access the old site via IE but then it stopped responding.

Fvckin bastertin RP. I suppose cancelling my subscription will save me a couple of quid but it will cause me no end of grief. Seriously want just to pack it all in now.

The website boys are up there with the print front page Photoshop kids. You get the feeling the whole place in run by 7yo children. Racing really needs an alternative to the Racing Post.
 
I don't have too many issues with the idea of a new look or the racecards having more prominence. I really only use the site to copy/paste cards into Word documents then to research the form as a back up to my hard copy studying.

I do have major issues with the overwhelming presence of adverts which even Adblock doesn't get rid of. I think paying customers should be allowed to opt out of on-screen adverts. It's all about bookies, bookies and more bookies.

When the recent survey came around (probably around the same time as Grasshopper's thread) I just replied, "I don't know where to start." I'd have needed days to come up with criticisms of the old site and I really didn't think it could go downhill from there. Well it's hit a mineshaft.
 
Mo have you tried deleting your cookies, temp internet files etc then starting over ?

Yes. Well I think so. I did a system restore last night but I'm willing to give that another go.

I accessed the old site via IE but it isn't letting me do so via 'IE In-Private' but I've been using Chrome for a few years now.
 
Yes. Well I think so. I did a system restore last night but I'm willing to give that another go.

FVCK ME!! That worked, DG!

I wonder for how long but I hope at least until I can sort this weekend's racing out. That will buy me another few days beyond that as I really only use it the closer we get to the weekend.

Many thanks.
 
Your situation was easily recreate-able Dessie, which I'm sure is of no comfort, and I can see from comparing the two sets of scripts on the old and beta web pages that the significant differences are not going to change. I knocked up some code for you that extracts the information but the way the script is built you are never (easily at least) going to be able to break out things like the sets of ratings as they will always come out as a single concatenated number.

But then it dawned on me that you from your upload you don't seem to be manipulating the columns and such after you've pasted it - are you simply configuring the RP website to add your own notes and such and then copying the lot using the basic Ctrl+C method ?. You do say that it looks a lot different in Word.

If that's the case why don't you just use the Snipping Tool that now comes with Windows so that it would look like the attached ?
 

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Thanks, wilsonl.

This is where my lack of IT skills embarrasses me as I'm not sure I follow you.

If I can explain exactly what I am used to doing:

1. I go to the RP 'at a glance' cards. I also open a Word [2003] document, give it a title and save it.
2. I type the course & race time in the Word document, eg ASC 2.15
3. I select, copy & paste the race title from the web page to the document, then edit the title to get it to fit the one line (@ Arial 8), purely for the sake of space. This might mean taking out the sponsor's name and/or age range, etc.
4. I select, copy & paste the race details from 'No.' to the last digit in the final box in the final column (usually the RPR, from memory) on to the Word document. This creates automatically a Word document 'table'.
5. I repeat the process with every race that I think merits my attention, usually on average about 7 races on a Saturday. [And save.]
6. I then edit the document so that I'm happy with how it will appear on paper but at this stage it won't be much, maybe centring some numbers columns. Then print.

7. I then study my hard-copy form instalments and write my figures on the printed document.

8. Once I've done all that I go back to the computer and set about editing the document with my figures, so I'll reduce the size of the text in the tables to 7 and race titles to 6.5, reduce the width of some of the columns in the tables so that I can add another two columns (one for my own ratings - 'MON' - and one for any annotations - '+', 'p', etc). In doing this, the RPR column is automatically pushed to the final column so I just select, cut & paste 'RPR' from the top of the original column to the final column and type in 'MON' and 'Notes' at the head of the two new columns.

9. I can then type in my own stuff.

10. Once I've done all that I then select the table from the start of the horses (NOT the headings row) and 'sort' the table using the column with my own figures, in
descending order. I can then see at a glance my ratings in order and the improvers, as in the Tingle Creek example. I've found this more helpful than leaving the table 'unsorted', if I can coin a word.

And that's basically it.

It might sound a lot but I've been doing it for years and I can probably have my document ready for typing in about maybe a minute per race. The form study is maybe a minute per horse - that's what I aim for - and the typing takes as long as it takes but i'm pretty quick as I use most of my fingers correctly since I self-taught typing a long time ago.

I then add my synopses and conclusions, after checking video form and other stuff to satisfy myself that I'm getting as accurate as I can be content with, without scunnering myself!

I rarely print off my final document. I usually just refer to it on the PC.

My final documents bear little more than a passing resemblance, though, to the likes of the Tingle Creek produced above.



Sorry if all that bores you. I don't want to hear anything about forumites stringing themselves up or setting themselves alight, Airport-style :)
 
No that's fine and makes sense insomuch that this way give you the tabular format you need to be able to insert your own column and sort by that.

I assume even though you're ultimately sorting by your own ratings you are still interested in including the OR, TS & RPRs in your export / printed word doc ?
 
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