Goffs Land Rover sale

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I was at the sales yesterday and you would think we were back at the height of the boom. Highflyer, Aiden Murphy, Willie Mullins etc were very active and Harry Fry was getting involved a good bit. Eddie O'Leary was active too but through others. Lots of UK based money and clearly they have large order books to fill. I'm not sure if this is because they have been turned off the pointers or just new demand. We stopped looking three quarters of the way through the day as you know its time to stop when the point men are paying €20-30k for horses. Horses with dodgy certs getting€40k. I haven't seen that for a while.
 
Scary Oran, .It seems to me that the prices are sky high in one sales and then reasonable at the next one. Certainly very happy with the horses we have bought this year
 
We will march onto Tatts I'd say as todays sale has a lot of dross. Something always falls through the cracks at the Derby sale.
 
Reflecting on the flagship store sale, a delighted Henry Beeby said:
“What can we say?
The last two years of the Land Rover Sale have made serious progress as we increased our investment in this sector of the market and we felt the resultant 2013 catalogue was as good as ever, but nothing prepared us for the extraordinary trade we have witnessed. Yesterday was one of those days that we will remember for some time and I don’t think it is too much to say that it was a market leading performance. The record price of €215,000 was the highlight but the day was about so much more with frenzied bidding at all levels from start to finish. A 91% clearance rate tells its own story and that was backed up by a 33% increase in average and median to take the sale to new heights. The trend continued right through today with more big advances that resulted in the whole sale growing by 40% on the back of a staggering two day 88% clearance rate. Analysis of every sector of the market shows improvement and we were delighted to welcome a mass of buyers from the UK as well as high profile buyers from France and, of course, Ireland. They travelled following a concerted push by the team at Goffs working in harmony with our colleagues at Irish Thoroughbred Marketing that ensured that every visitor was given a welcome like no other and was able to focus on the horses.
And that has been the key to the sales success as there is no doubt that the catalogue was the best we have compiled both on paper and in the flesh. For that we must thank the Irish breeders who have supported the sale with growing enthusiasm and worked with our excellent and focussed team of NH Agents. That our numbers catalogued have remained steady from a significantly smaller foal crop speaks volumes and demonstrates the increasing belief in National Hunt Sales at Goffs.

We said we were serious about National Hunt and this was, by any measure, a serious National Hunt Sale…”
 
The Land Rover sale is really two separate sales.

The first day is a genuinely well selected bunch and the prices reflected that. The second day is different. One feller who was there commented there were a lot of disappointing horses on day 2,

The Derby sale is genuinely catalogued over 2 days so the prices should be similar throughout. I hear that the buyers are expected in force.
 
Good luck Oran - did you guys ever think about heading to one of the Brightwells Cheltenham sales with the money and buying a pointer with form or one of the lesser bumper horses on a "ready to run" type basis?

Sounds like the old days of buying a good quality, well bred horse for 20-25k are going (for the time being at least) and those sort of horses are going for 40-50k these days.

Though think all sales were going that way - even the Ascot sale I attended with our trainer a couple of weeks ago saw horses that you'd have got for 500-1,000 back in August going for 2-3k this time around, though the auctioneer seemingly spotting bids that weren't there was hardly helping matters.

Martin
 
cjboy said:
The Land Rover sale is really two separate sales.

The first day is a genuinely well selected bunch and the prices reflected that. The second day is different. One feller who was there commented there were a lot of disappointing horses on day 2,

The Derby sale is genuinely catalogued over 2 days so the prices should be similar throughout. I hear that the buyers are expected in force.
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The Land Rover has been like that for a few years. It used to be a three day sale with the last day being the dross. With the Derby sale, the alphabet of dams runs over the two days so there will be quality all through the sale. But a completely different type of animal. Land Rover horses are supposed to be more compact, ready to go types. Derby sale are longer term prospects with a few sharp types thrown in because they are gorgeous horses. Of course, it all depends on who owes the sales company money!!
 
Irish Stamp said:
Good luck Oran - did you guys ever think about heading to one of the Brightwells Cheltenham sales with the money and buying a pointer with form or one of the lesser bumper horses on a "ready to run" type basis?
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Performance is priced into the Brightwells horses. If you pay 20k, the likelihood is he will be a middle grade horse at best. No rules but his ability is on the page. Going with untried horses is a complete lottery so for 20k you can end up with a Gold Cup winner or nothing. I prefer that and I think my syndicate members do too.
 
That kind of a sale the agents work themselves up into a frenzy and get aggressive with other peoples money. There are other Sales with value.
 
Fair enough Oran - saw 2 UK pointers go through the ring at the April sale, one at 140k and one at 5,500 (buy back by trainer), remember thinking at the time I'd rather have paid ten times as much for the cheap horse as half for the 140k one.

Good luck at the Derby Sale - their catalogue provided me with some much needed reading whilst in Dublin last month :)

Martin
 
Irish Stamp said:
Fair enough Oran - saw 2 UK pointers go through the ring at the April sale, one at 140k and one at 5,500 (buy back by trainer), remember thinking at the time I'd rather have paid ten times as much for the cheap horse as half for the 140k one.

Good luck at the Derby Sale - their catalogue provided me with some much needed reading whilst in Dublin last month :)

Martin
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Care to name the horses?
 
Aragorn said:
Care to name the horses?
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Vazaro Delafayette was the expensive one and Bellsini Ron the cheap one - BR has more experience and at a higher level, could make a useful 130ish Novice Chaser if they go that route but in points still for Barber at the min.

Martin
 
The Doyle brothers have done well over the last few years. They have a good eye for one. Monbeg Dude won have been one of their graduates.
 
Tatts are normally quite good with their pre-race exminations. I wonder how many actually do an examination before the sale?
 
Did you buy anything Oran?
Article from Charlie Brooks a bit rich given he did not vaccinate his horses,getting a vet to sign up passports instead (according to his autobio at least ) and wondering why his horses were always sick !
 
edgt said:
Did you buy anything Oran?
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No, we went to €28k for a Milan brother to Prince of Pirates but Culloty went to €30k and would have kept going I'd say. Other than that, it was a sellers market and too much interest from UK buyers so we left it. On to the August sales now but the problem there will be that the point to point buyers still have plenty to buy as they picked very little up at the Derby sale and few enough at the Land Rover.
 
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