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I'll be avoiding those like the plague....life is complicated enough 
good move for those that want it and unlike RP it's for free
good move for those that want it and unlike RP it's for free
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Yes, I want to use them as a learning tool rather than rely on them.
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I know Luca Cumani is also credited with the same comment. I'd love to know where it originated. Damon Runyon?
Ian_Davies
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Luca Cumani said it after Celestial Storm won the 1985 March Stakes: Man with time on his side
Time isn't the only factor by any means in this game, but those who ignore it completely are destined to struggle in the long run.
Time isn't the only factor by any means in this game, but those who ignore it completely are destined to struggle in the long run.
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Cheers, Ian, I've never seen that article before but CW articulates many of the things I worked out for myself over many years, one of which led me to state in an item I did for the Update many years ago:
A horse can't run faster than its ability allows.
By that I was saying a slow horse can't run a fast time [but a fast horse can run a slow time].
By that I meant that if a proven modest horse appeared to run a very fast time then there must have been a reason for it related to the race conditions, weather, wind, etc.
When I check times, I tend to look not at the best race on the card but the worst. If the weakest race puts up a comparatively smart time then I use that race to assess the ground and extrapolate from the winner running to maximum possible expectations. That willl often mean the other races being slower than you'd otherwise expect.
A horse can't run faster than its ability allows.
By that I was saying a slow horse can't run a fast time [but a fast horse can run a slow time].
By that I meant that if a proven modest horse appeared to run a very fast time then there must have been a reason for it related to the race conditions, weather, wind, etc.
When I check times, I tend to look not at the best race on the card but the worst. If the weakest race puts up a comparatively smart time then I use that race to assess the ground and extrapolate from the winner running to maximum possible expectations. That willl often mean the other races being slower than you'd otherwise expect.
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Funnily enough, I not only went to school with CW, but can fairly claim to have got him into racing, a subject we spent altogether too much time talking about while sat next to one another in both GCSE and A Level Economics lessons 1977-1981.
After uni, I joined Raceform in London, while he joined Timeform up in Halifax and I wrote the feature on him years later when I was at The Independent.
I am glad you enjoyed it.
After uni, I joined Raceform in London, while he joined Timeform up in Halifax and I wrote the feature on him years later when I was at The Independent.
I am glad you enjoyed it.
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walsworth
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Who is or was CW?
Ian_Davies
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If you click on the link, walsworth, you will find he is a chap called Chris Wright.
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Newmarket's July Meeting has it's numbers churned by Simon, who also nominates a quartet of “could be anything” horses for your ATR Tracker.
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Newmarket's July Meeting has it's numbers churned by Simon, who also nominates a quartet of “could be anything” horses for your ATR Tracker.
I've had a look at the July Cup for myself and will keep an open mind about the level of the form.
While SR appears to suggest Millstream is a better than average winner, at least compared to his 'par' sections, my figures are pointing to the winner merely emerging as the best of a bad lot, keeping on as others slowed down.
I won't rule out my being wrong since I often am but in the short term I'm prepared to bet on my figures against Simon's. It might prove costly but opinions are what the game is about.
