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Desert Orchid

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What on earth is going on here?

Yesterday it was described as firm with an unusually high going stick reading (9.8, the highest recorded at the track going back to 2008) for a major flat track. This was changed to 'Good' after one heavy shower during the first race but the ground was reported to have 'firmed up' after an earlier shower.

The times are all over the shop. I reckon you can run very slow times on very fast ground but you can't run very fast times on slow ground (not taking account of going adjustments) so how come the 3yo Cl4 handicap was won in a time almost a second faster than the [adjusted*] old standard? (You need to bear in mind the race was actually run over 1m50y and not the exact mile as suggested in the racecard. *My 'standard' time for the race as quoted is based on the published time for 1m with an arithmetical adjustment to account for the extra 50y.)

This led me to arrive at a going allowance of -0.75spf, an unusually high allowance suggesting lightning quick ground, which is in line with the going stick reading.

The first race time was moderate but that might have been on account of jockeys not going as fast in the belief they were racing on ground they were told wasn't fast. The times got faster after that; presumably the jockeys realised the ground was faster than they were told.

Today's going allowance of 8.0 seems still to be on the fast side but showers are forecast.

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What on earth is going on here?

Yesterday it was described as firm with an unusually high going stick reading (9.8, the highest recorded at the track going back to 2008) for a major flat track. This was changed to 'Good' after one heavy shower during the first race but the ground was reported to have 'firmed up' after an earlier shower.

The times are all over the shop. I reckon you can run very slow times on very fast ground but you can't run very fast times on slow ground (not taking account of going adjustments) so how come the 3yo Cl4 handicap was won in a time almost a second faster than the [adjusted*] old standard? (You need to bear in mind the race was actually run over 1m50y and not the exact mile as suggested in the racecard. *My 'standard' time for the race as quoted is based on the published time for 1m with an arithmetical adjustment to account for the extra 50y.)

This led me to arrive at a going allowance of -0.75spf, an unusually high allowance suggesting lightning quick ground, which is in line with the going stick reading.

The first race time was moderate but that might have been on account of jockeys not going as fast in the belief they were racing on ground they were told wasn't fast. The times got faster after that; presumably the jockeys realised the ground was faster than they were told.

Today's going allowance of 8.0 seems still to be on the fast side but showers are forecast.

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Interesting interview with Tellwright on RUK this afternoon. Grounds now been changed to good to soft.
 
What did he say, Aragorn?

I now think Jack Dexter at 15/2 (just missed the 8s) might be a bit of value. He's not been at his best so far this season but if he were to hit top form here he'd have to go very close.
 
I've just had a look at the times for Saturday at Haydock.

My figures say the ground in the straight couldn't have been soft until later in the afternoon. They say an 88-rated horse like Bear Behind couldn't run the 6f in 73.72s without some kind of assistance from the conditions. There was a tail wind on the day but I'm not sure how much that would account for. Maybe the fractionally fast going allowance. Take it away and the ground couldn't have been any worse than good.

It looks like it softened a bit between that race and the next, going by Hot Streak's time but that ties in with the closing 7f h'cap for 3yos, so the ground couldn't have deteriorated after Hot Streak's race.

The ground must have been soft in the back straight to account for the slow times. Either that or the jockeys were too cautious but two races don't really offer solid evidence.

As for Jack Dexter, I thought he looked like being very competitive until repeatedly denied an opening until Lee gave it up as a lost cause. One to bear in mind.
 
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For mine, it rained most of the afternoon and the ground deteriorated accordingly.
Wouldn't have been halfway soft enough for Jack Dexter over 5f when the Temple was run nevertheless (1.69 secs above RP standard), but the current weather keeps up, his day looks bound to arrive shortly.
 
DO...there are no standard times for the current distances since they altered the course...i don't know anyone that speed rates at Haydock any more as the whole place is a shambles with incorrect distances and what have you...give it up..its not worth trying to work it out

what has happened at Haydock is scandalous regarding accurate data. its time all the distances were remeasured and Tellwright made to ensure they are run to those distances
 
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