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this doesnt wash with me at all. Easily beaten by 11 lengths in first place, so its barely relevant and also, if there is a determinatin to take such a defeat literally, seems to assume that all the other 16 runners didnt run to their best. Bit unlikely when going for such a prize i think?

can't make head nor tail of that Clive, would you like to explain what you are trying to say?

[QUOTE="EC1, post: 2122494, member: 65360"] [b]this doesnt wash with me at all. Easily beaten by 11 lengths in first place, so its barely relevant and also, if there is a determinatin to take such a defeat literally, seems to assume that all the other 16 runners didnt run to their best. Bit unlikely when going for such a prize i think?[/b] can't make head nor tail of that Clive, would you like to explain what you are trying to say? [/QUOTE]

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