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Colin Phillips

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...Classroom Chaos (Channel Five) last night?

What a shambles, I feel sure my daughter who is in the final weeks of her Teacher Training course would have made a better fist of getting the attention of the class than the ex-teacher in this programme.

Have things changed that drastically in the years that she has been out of the classroom or does one think she was never any good at discipline or gaining respect when she was teaching?

Colin
 
To be totally frank, if she'd been my teacher (when I was that age) I'd have given her an even harder time of it. I reckon some of the teachers in my school got it a lot worse.

I wondered whether there was a political agenda on the woman's part.

It's not hard to see why she's an ex-teacher. If she was like that before then I'm afraid she was never really cut out for the job in the first place.

Kids look to teachers for an example. This woman provided an example of how not to be a teacher. It would make an interesting visual aid at teacher training.
 
We had a teacher like her at out school . In a school with relatively few discipline problems she had loads . She couldn't control a class at all .
 
I didn't see the programme, but when I went to an all-girls' school, discipline was pretty fierce. I started my first term there viewing the back view of a girl who was being expelled in utter disgrace: "You have let your school down, you have let your class down, you have let your teachers down, but worse than that, Mildred, you have let YOURSELF down." I doubt there was an eye unboggled.
 
I hated secondary school. My love of music and English was frowned upon by my called "class mates" so I learnt very little as I was likely to have been bullied if I didn't leave the school choir something I adored. It was a Comprehensive school that periodically had mini race riots outside the gates after 3.30pm. Coming from a small village school of less than 100 pupils it was a real culture shock. I was made head prefect in my last year, which gave me some sense of responsibility back and helped me return to a normal human being before I started work. Luckily, the teachers were quite good, and I will never forget those of them who made time after school to assist those of us who really wanted to learn. When I was told that two of my 14 year old classmates were pregnant, I was horrified. I was at school a good few years back so it is certainly not just recently that teachers have had to put up with such horrendous pupil behaviour - although it is almost certainly a lot worse. The swearing, the violence, the racism was all there back then - well in my school anyway!

Those horrible school memories will live with me for ever. :blink:
 
Did any of you see Supernanny during the week? A foul-mouthed, violent pair of 4 (yes FOUR) year old twins. On the face of it, I thought the parents seemed to be doing nothing much wrong, although I could understand the odd moment of overreaction which didn't make it onto the screens. More fodder for the school systems. How can a 4 year old learn to be that bad?
 
Kids need to learn very early on that there are boundaries, some of which are strictly enforced, and that - as a lesson for life ahead - action begets reaction. If you behave like a little sh*t, you need to be taught that someone more powerful than you (for that read 'boss' or 'police' for later on!) can, and will, assert this power.

I hear pathetically-whining parents trying to NEGOTIATE with tiny tyrants in shops and the street. Look, these kids haven't yet arrived at the mental development stage of orang-utans, and you're trying to conduct a Board meeting with them? "Oh, don't DOOOOO that, Sebastian, you know it only upsets Mummeeeeee..." (Sebastian: REEEESULT!) :teeth:

Most of life is a form of coercion: work well, get rewards. Work poorly, get fired. Do wrong, go to jail. Be a swine, get divorced/pay maintenance. And so on and on. I don't see too many examples of firm-but-fair parenting, and I have to wonder what the heck happened during the past generation to turn today's Mummies and Daddies (the latter, where present at all) into a bunch of whinging wusses and powerless pussies?

I go back, of course, to wittering on about teaching Parenting (with a capital 'P') Skills in all schools, to the point it really should count as an examination course, not just as if being a parent were far less important than needlework, grammar, and trig. If you're going to be a parent, it's the most RESPONSIBLE job you could ever take on - I don't care if you're the head of Microsoft. Raise a little uncontrollable, manipulative, blackmailing thug, and you're a failure, matey!
 
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