Hypocrisy

I imagine that some rather interesting tales will come out of those archives. I look forward to reading them in years to come.

I also look forward to clivex describing David Camerons government as
"vile islamist terrorist supporting jew hating rascists" or some such.
 
I have been reading the reluctance as evidence against him may have been gained by torture, not him actually been tortured, and I think it the EU worrying, not our government.
Either way, he should have been kicked out years ago.
 
I suppose it depends on which newspaper you read or what news bulletin you watch or listen to.

I am pretty sure that I heard that the government were concerned about the possibility of him being tortured.

I could be wrong, of course, or perhaps the news bulletin was misleading.
 
Colin. What point are you making? It was a long time ago. Do the actions of previous governments behold this government to a certain stance?

Of course not. Thats total bollocks.

And what do you think should have happened to him? its very hopeless left wing to sneer but never offer a solution isnt it?


he should have been deported ages ago . The french didnt hang about in similar circumstances. Throw him out and let the eu courts moan as much as they like

human rights should be upheld but his clear and strong links to AQ make certain the the human rights of his intended victims must come first


Simmo... you are not making sense... again
 
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Since the mistake has been made twice in just 6 posts, it should probably be pointed out that the European Court of Human Rights is not part of the European Union.
 
have been reading the reluctance as evidence against him may have been gained by torture, not him actually been tortured, and I think it the EU worrying, not our government.
Either way, he should have been kicked out years ago.

Thats exactly how i understand it and there has to be question marks over evidence obtained in that manner. You dont really want a situation whereby people are kicked out of countries because they are perceived as a threat but at the same time, his links with AQ seemingly too strong to ignore
 
When people advocate the violation of others human rights, they should somewhat forfeit their own, imo.

Put the beardy f*cker - and his suede Dalek bint of a wife - on the next flight to Jordan, and 'worry' about what the European Court thinks later.
 
When people advocate the violation of others human rights, they should somewhat forfeit their own, imo.

Put the beardy f*cker - and his suede Dalek bint of a wife - on the next flight to Jordan, and 'worry' about what the European Court thinks later.

And kick his hole in too..love it..:adore:
 
Would Jordan have kept a British national in jail that long without trial or even let them stay in the country the way that the Goverment (past and present) has allowed him to stay here?

No they would have either expelled him or had a trial resulting in death/extradition.

Its probably not the Goverments fault per sey they are tied by the Human Rights Act and the European Court - and I am sure that Abu will make sure that he explores every avenue to keep him here longer.
 
I sort of have this picture of the dalek piping up behind some hate preach with EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE
 
Be careful guys or the forum's racism cop will pop up and demand immediate removal of the thread
 
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true. its not nice to equate a minority group with psychopathic bigoted killers

the daleks will rightly be offended
 
Wouldnt it be nice if Guardian readers were more concerned about the hyprocisy of an animal with the following views who lives off our taxes


. A 1995 'fatwa' issued by Abu Qatada justified the killing of anyone in Algeria who converted from Islam, including their wives and children.

2. In 1997, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute, Abu Qatada called on Muslims to kill the wives and children of Egyptian police and army officers.

3. In October 1999, according to the British case against him, Abu Qatada made a speech in which, The Guardian reported, "he effectively issued a fatwa authorising the killing of Jews, including Jewish children".

4. In 1999 Abu Qatada told his congregation at Finsbury Park Mosque that Americans should be attacked, wherever they were; that in his view they were no better than Jews; and that there was no difference between English people, Jews and Americans.

5. In a 2001 sermon, shortly after 9/11, Abu Qatada said the al-Qaeda attacks on the US were part of a wider battle between Christendom and Islam, and were a response to America's unjust policies.

6. In autumn 2002, a poem attributed to Abu Qatada, appeared online praising Osama bin Laden and glorifying the attacks.

7. In another sermon he is said to have stated that it was not a sin for a Muslim to kill a non-believer for the sake of Islam.



Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news...sermons-abu-qatada-al-filistini#ixzz1sUSBqsp0
 
Deos anyone know if he did beat the deadline to launch an appeal, or whether they moved the deadline after the deadline that actually wasn't, so that he didn't miss it and can carry on with the one he had lodged, or enter another one for the new deadline? So then he has two appeals? And can sue the government, i.e. us taxpayers, for false arrest. And be released on bail again. And claim benefits again while the court system tries to unravel that mess for the next , ooh umm, 4 years at least I would think? Ish?:confused:
 
More evidence of the British Empire's glorious past, George Monbiot (from the Guardian site, sorry Clive;)):

There is one thing you can say for the Holocaust deniers: at least they know what they are denying. In order to sustain the lies they tell, they must engage in strenuous falsification. To dismiss Britain's colonial atrocities, no such effort is required. Most people appear to be unaware that anything needs to be denied.

The story of benign imperialism, whose overriding purpose was not to seize land, labour and commodities but to teach the natives English, table manners and double-entry book-keeping, is a myth that has been carefully propagated by the rightwing press. But it draws its power from a remarkable national ability to airbrush and disregard our past.

Last week's revelations, that the British government systematically destroyed the documents detailing mistreatment of its colonial subjects, and that the Foreign Office then lied about a secret cache of files containing lesser revelations, is by any standards a big story. But it was either ignored or consigned to a footnote by most of the British press. I was unable to find any mention of the secret archive on the Telegraph's website. The Mail's only coverage, as far as I can determine, was an opinion piece by a historian called Lawrence James, who used the occasion to insist that any deficiencies in the management of the colonies were the work of "a sprinkling of misfits, incompetents and bullies", while everyone else was "dedicated, loyal and disciplined".

The British government's suppression of evidence was scarcely necessary. Even when the documentation of great crimes is abundant, it is not denied but simply ignored. In an article for the Daily Mail in 2010, for example, the historian Dominic Sandbrook announced that "Britain's empire stands out as a beacon of tolerance, decency and the rule of law … Nor did Britain countenance anything like the dreadful tortures committed in French Algeria." Could he really have been unaware of the history he is disavowing?

Caroline Elkins, a professor at Harvard, spent nearly 10 years compiling the evidence contained in her book Britain's Gulag: the Brutal End of Empire in Kenya. She started her research with the belief that the British account of the suppression of the Kikuyu's Mau Mau revolt in the 1950s was largely accurate. Then she discovered that most of the documentation had been destroyed. She worked through the remaining archives, and conducted 600 hours of interviews with Kikuyu survivors – rebels and loyalists – and British guards, settlers and officials. Her book is fully and thoroughly documented. It won the Pulitzer prize. But as far as Sandbrook, James and other imperial apologists are concerned, it might as well never have been written.

Elkins reveals that the British detained not 80,000 Kikuyu, as the official histories maintain, but almost the entire population of one and a half million people, in camps and fortified villages. There, thousands were beaten to death or died from malnutrition, typhoid, tuberculosis and dysentery. In some camps almost all the children died.

The inmates were used as slave labour. Above the gates were edifying slogans, such as "Labour and freedom" and "He who helps himself will also be helped". Loudspeakers broadcast the national anthem and patriotic exhortations. People deemed to have disobeyed the rules were killed in front of the others. The survivors were forced to dig mass graves, which were quickly filled. Unless you have a strong stomach I advise you to skip the next paragraph.

Interrogation under torture was widespread. Many of the men were anally raped, using knives, broken bottles, rifle barrels, snakes and scorpions. A favourite technique was to hold a man upside down, his head in a bucket of water, while sand was rammed into his rectum with a stick. Women were gang-raped by the guards. People were mauled by dogs and electrocuted. The British devised a special tool which they used for first crushing and then ripping off testicles. They used pliers to mutilate women's breasts. They cut off inmates' ears and fingers and gouged out their eyes. They dragged people behind Land Rovers until their bodies disintegrated. Men were rolled up in barbed wire and kicked around the compound.

Elkins provides a wealth of evidence to show that the horrors of the camps were endorsed at the highest levels. The governor of Kenya, Sir Evelyn Baring, regularly intervened to prevent the perpetrators from being brought to justice. The colonial secretary, Alan Lennox-Boyd, repeatedly lied to the House of Commons. This is a vast, systematic crime for which there has been no reckoning.

No matter. Even those who acknowledge that something happened write as if Elkins and her work did not exist. In the Telegraph, Daniel Hannan maintains that just eleven people were beaten to death. Apart from that, "1,090 terrorists were hanged and as many as 71,000 detained without due process".

The British did not do body counts, and most victims were buried in unmarked graves. But it is clear that tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of Kikuyu died in the camps and during the round-ups. Hannan's is one of the most blatant examples of revisionism I have ever encountered.

Without explaining what this means, Lawrence James concedes that "harsh measures" were sometimes used, but he maintains that "while the Mau Mau were terrorising the Kikuyu, veterinary surgeons in the Colonial Service were teaching tribesmen how to deal with cattle plagues." The theft of the Kikuyu's land and livestock, the starvation and killings, the widespread support among the Kikuyu for the Mau Mau's attempt to reclaim their land and freedom: all vanish into thin air. Both men maintain that the British government acted to stop any abuses as soon as they were revealed.

What I find remarkable is not that they write such things, but that these distortions go almost unchallenged. The myths of empire are so well-established that we appear to blot out countervailing stories even as they are told. As evidence from the manufactured Indian famines of the 1870s and from the treatment of other colonies accumulates, British imperialism emerges as no better and in some cases even worse than the imperialism practised by other nations. Yet the myth of the civilising mission remains untroubled by the evidence.

• A fully referenced version of this article can be found at www.monbiot.com
 
Yes and it just looks like the deportation of that Iman (are you going say whether you are against that or not colin?) is simply being used as a very tenuous link to some boring brit bashing (which will appear to the anglophobes here admittedly)

May as well use the euro crisis to bang on at Germany about Hitler FFS
 
Clive, I don't know enough about the ins and outs of the "Iman" case to have a strong feeling about whether he should be deported or not.

Public opinion seems to be that he should but so often I find myself at odds with public opinion.

I'm posting the history of the Brits and torture just to keep things in proportion, our hands are not clean.
 
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