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Sunday July 31, 09:53 AM

Iran says ready to restart nuclear work Monday



TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran said it would restart some nuclear activities on Monday unless it receives European Union proposals on Sunday to break a diplomatic impasse.

The EU is due to offer Iran some economic and political incentives in return for an indefinite suspension of uranium enrichment, nuclear fuel reprocessing and related activities.

If Iran does not comply, the EU has threatened to back calls by the United States for the Islamic Republic to be reported to the United Nations Security Council and face possible sanctions.

"If we do not receive the EU proposal today, tomorrow morning we will start part of activities in Isfahan's uranium conversion facility," Ali Aghamohammadi, spokesman for the Supreme National Security Council, told state television.

"This will be under the supervision of U.N. inspectors," he added.

A conversion plant near the central city of Isfahan takes processed uranium ore, mined in Iran's central desert, and turns it into uranium hexafluoride gas. This gas can be pumped into centrifuges that spin at supersonic speed to enrich uranium.

Enriched uranium is used in nuclear power plants, but if highly enriched can be used in atomic weaponry.

DEADLINE

The EU and the United States suspect Iran's nuclear programme is a veil for efforts to build a nuclear bomb. Tehran insists it only wants nuclear power to generate electricity.

Iran set a deadline of 1230 GMT on Sunday for the EU to submit its package of incentives, but said it would continue talks with the bloc and would not resume uranium enrichment.

Iran has said the parties originally agreed on an August 1 deadline for submission of the proposals, but the EU's so-called "Big Three" -- Britain, France and Germany -- had asked for this to be extended by six days. Tehran said it rejected any delay.

It was not clear whether Iran, which says its nuclear programme is only for power generation, was using a tough stance over a matter of a few days to put pressure on the EU.

Diplomats in the EU's "Big Three" countries said they were not aware the bloc had committed itself firmly to August 1.

They said there had been an agreement at talks with Iran in Geneva last May that the EU would submit proposals by the end of July or "early August".

Waiting until August 7 would allow the EU to present its offer after the inauguration of Iran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on August 6.

Regardless of the date, diplomats have expressed little optimism a deal can be done.

Analysts are uncertain what effect a new president will have on the dispute over Iran's nuclear programme but suggest negotiators take their orders directly from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, bypassing the government.
 
Last Updated: Saturday, 13 August 2005, 04:37 GMT 05:37 UK


Bush warns Iran on nuclear plans

Work restarted at Isfahan this week
US President George W Bush says he still has not ruled out the option of using force against Iran, after it resumed work on its nuclear programme.
He said he was working on a diplomatic solution, but was sceptical that one could be found.

The UN's atomic watchdog has called on Iran to halt nuclear fuel development.

Iran, which denies it is secretly trying to develop nuclear arms, restarted work at its uranium conversion plant at Isfahan on Monday.

"All options are on the table," said Mr Bush, when asked about the possible use of force during an interview for Israeli TV.

"The use of force is the last option for any president. You know we have used force in the recent past to secure our country," he said.

NUCLEAR FUEL CYCLE

Mined uranium ore is purified and reconstituted into solid form known as yellowcake
Yellowcake is converted into a gas by heating it to about 64C (147F)
Gas is fed through centrifuges, where its isotopes separate and process is repeated until uranium is enriched
Low-level enriched uranium is used for nuclear fuel
Highly enriched uranium can be used in nuclear weapons


In depth: Nuclear fuel cycle
Iran's press defiant

The BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington says the president wants to send a clear warning to Tehran, although in reality the US already has its hands full in neighbouring Iraq.

'Cost them dearly'

The former Iranian President, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, has expressed surprise at Thursday's call by the UN nuclear agency, the IAEA, for Iran to suspend its nuclear activities.

The IAEA asked its chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, to report on Iran's compliance by 3 September.

Speaking at Friday prayers in Tehran, Mr Rafsanjani said western opposition to Iran's decision to resume its nuclear programme would, as he put it, cost them dearly.

"Our people are not going to allow their nuclear rights to be seized," Mr Rafsanjani said. He said he was astonished that no country opposed the European Union-sponsored resolution, adopted by the IAEA, that urged Iran to stop any work on processing uranium for enrichment.

He emphasised that Iran's decision to resume its nuclear programme was irreversible, and said his country could not be treated like Iraq or Libya. The IAEA's 35-member governing body met in emergency session this week after Iran ended a nine-month suspension of work at Isfahan.

Iran insists it needs nuclear power as an alternative energy source, but Western nations fear it has plans to produce nuclear weapons.
 
For all their talk America will be much more wary about pursuing Iran by force. Firstly American forces are pretty stretch and secondly Iran is not Iraq. Iran will be able to defend and retalite against any attack in whatever form it might take.
 
In the interests of not looking ethnically (or even ethically) biased, America would have to bomb the bejaysus out of Israel, too, since there's a pretty nifty little stockpile of fully-formed nukes still lurking there. Not that the West is howling too vociferously about those - absolutely even-handed in its approach to all countries, isn't it?
 
Well the YANKS would term the JEWISH state as one of theirs (they ploughed enough monies into there) but IRAN and NORTH KOREA are not doing what the YANKS want them too!! and has they are known as the worlds policemen it goes against the grain ?? so to speak ..... :rolleyes:

you do as we tell you or else!!!!! :rolleyes:
 
Exactly, Merlin - except they know they just won't get any support over Iran, and are too cowardly to take on North Korea (as well as it being a very expensive mission, due to distance). Iran's just redressing the current lack of balance - if the world wants to be free of nuclear weapons, let's see the USA dismantle the last of its own, and insist that Israel bins theirs, too. I'm not even sure that the USA's chemical weapons destruction programme (i.e. gas attack agents) has been completed yet. It took them about ten years to get through burning 60% of the stuff, and I suspect that it's still very, very slowly going on.
 
What is sure is that Iranies are not going to stop their plans to achieve tha atomic bomb with the good and naive words of the old european diplomacy.
 
Why shouldn't they, if they wish to, suny? Israel has a stockpile of nuclear weapons, which most of us didn't know were being developed with the clear assistance of the USA. What did, and does, Israel intend to do with those missiles? Why is everyone fascinated by the Iranians' actions, which are not illegal, when right in the middle of the Middle East, there's already a fully-operational nuclear strike facility? If Iran decides to arm itself with nuclear weaponry, you could argue that it's only because Israel did it first, with a blind eye being turned to its activity.

And, since none of the Middle East countries have any nuclear weapons processing facilities, why was Israel over-arming itself so heavily? Was it so that the USA could threaten other countries from a friendly Israeli base one day, if it felt it was necessary? What country could possibly have threatened Israel so much - Iraq only had some ancient Scud missiles, with a rudimentary hit-or-miss range and distance capability, as we all know. So WHO threatened Israel badly enough for it to need nukes? Palestinians in grimy camps in Jordan?
 
Originally posted by krizon@Aug 13 2005, 09:00 PM
Why shouldn't they, if they wish to, suny?
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For the same reason police is allowed to and criminals not.

about Israel
It is pretty obvious what arabs would do with them if they were not armed.....


Do you think Iran is danger with the atomic bomb?
Do you think the same people of the 11S would dare to use it?
I think it is an answer we can not afford to leave alone.



Finally
if they would have it and occident not, do you think they would allow us to achieve it if we would be likely to attack them?
 
Why would Iran attack Israel? Israel and Iran are not at war, and quite honestly, the idea that any Arab or other Middle Eastern country (Iranians aren't, of course, Arabs) would nuke Israel is plain silly - there are thousands of Arabs LIVING IN ISRAEL, for a start, since there is no Palestine (after the British gave it away) and the nuclear fall-out would be carried by the prevailing winds all over the neighbouring countries - which happen to be Arab. It would be suicidally illogical, and neighbouring countries would not permit it to happen.

There is so much nonsense about 'poor little Israel' - remember it is Israeli jets which strafe and bomb Palestinian homes - and what do the Palestinians have to fight back with? A handful of stones and the occasional desperate act - the human suicide bomber. No contest whatsoever.
 
Good Morning.
I believe that Great Britain were there well before the USA.

(Selling the Israelis Fusion/Fission Material) that is.

Although no Ministers were involved,we were at it without even telling
the USA.
 
That was jolly sly of us, Derek - a bit un-British of us not to have asked America's permission first, surely? Was that when Mrs Thatcher ruled the roost?
 
Good Morning krizon.
It was well before Mrs Thatcher,around the time of the "you have never had it so good man MacMillan."

The UK had a surplus of Heavy Water and it was sold to the Israelis for around £1,5 million pounds.

The deal was done by the Foreign office mandarins who though it better not to say anything to their Minister bosses.

The Uk,in those days,got their Heavy Water from Norway,who sold it around the world,although never to Israel,

An invoice for Heavy Water bought from Norway by the UK was altered to show the end user as Israel (UK did not appear on it) and shipped to Israel as a direct sale from Norway.

There was no peaceful use condition attatched,just a sale and be dammed.

What would we do without our Civil Servants,the Ministers depend on them for so much. :D
 
Thanks for the information, Derek. It's amazing what goes on 'under the desk', as it were. Presumably we (the UK) would've lied through our teeth anyway if the purchase and supply had come to light, and denied it all. It's sickening to think of how many times we've been lied to by our 'leaders', and how so many pockets have been lined in the various processes. 'Finders' fees', 'commission', and good old 'entertainment expenses'. h:)
 
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