Islamic Nhs
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The answers are already partially in the article itself, if you read Prof. Esmail's responses, and if I prefer to see a female doctor, I'm not forced to see a man - and I'm not a Muslim. As for medical needs during the fasting month of Ramadan, as any Muslim will know, exemptions are made for the very young, the elderly, the pregnant, and the SICK. So that's another non-issue.
While I know that some hospitals used to provide small chapel areas for Christian patients, I'm not sure if that's done now, but, if it is, I don't see the problem with providing a small ante-room for Muslim prayer and ablution, if there's a big enough ratio of Muslim patients (say, in a highly Muslim-populated area, as there are in some parts of the Midlands, and the North) to justify its availability.
The issue of drugs being alcohol or pig-based raise the same concerns for some Muslims as any cow-based ones might for some Hindu patients. If their GPs can source drugs that don't contain the offending ingredients, then surely they can have those prescribed instead of the others? They're probably already using a Muslim GP, who would have been prescribing appropriately anyway.
There are also enough special dietary requirements catered for by NHS hospitals that it's perfectly possible to eat adequately without being 'forced' to consume forbidden products. So the whole thing looks like a non-starter to me.
While I know that some hospitals used to provide small chapel areas for Christian patients, I'm not sure if that's done now, but, if it is, I don't see the problem with providing a small ante-room for Muslim prayer and ablution, if there's a big enough ratio of Muslim patients (say, in a highly Muslim-populated area, as there are in some parts of the Midlands, and the North) to justify its availability.
The issue of drugs being alcohol or pig-based raise the same concerns for some Muslims as any cow-based ones might for some Hindu patients. If their GPs can source drugs that don't contain the offending ingredients, then surely they can have those prescribed instead of the others? They're probably already using a Muslim GP, who would have been prescribing appropriately anyway.
There are also enough special dietary requirements catered for by NHS hospitals that it's perfectly possible to eat adequately without being 'forced' to consume forbidden products. So the whole thing looks like a non-starter to me.
Rather than fanny around catering for religious cranks, the NHS should concentrate on providing nourishing, edible food for its patients.
My mother is currently in hospital recovering from pneumonia, and the "food" she's been given to eat is disgusting. Also, although they know she's so crippled by rheumatoid arthritis and needs to have plastic cutlery if she's to feed herself, none was provided until several days after her admission. So she had to wait for ages for a nurse to turn up to feed her, by which time the meal was cold.
My mother is currently in hospital recovering from pneumonia, and the "food" she's been given to eat is disgusting. Also, although they know she's so crippled by rheumatoid arthritis and needs to have plastic cutlery if she's to feed herself, none was provided until several days after her admission. So she had to wait for ages for a nurse to turn up to feed her, by which time the meal was cold.
I did that once :lol:
It's a long story I'll cut short, but involved a substance abuse case (alcohol in this instance). The diagnosing Doctor was (imo) imposing his own religious believes on the case, and pre-judging it accordingly with some frankly outrageous suggestions and conclusions about something he clearly had little practical knowledge of. As it carried work based disciplinary implications it needed challenging. Luckily I was able to dig something else out that cast doubt on the Occupational Physicians probity regarding the soliciting of unauthorised medical records he'd obtained. <_< (in fact I grew increasingly suspicious of his own legitimacy, as it also involved a very heavily prescribed SSRI, which is frequently in the News, yet this Doctor had never heard of) :blink: Using this as a bargining chip I insisted on a second opinion, specifying culture, and after a bit of pussy footing specified "white western, preferably with no strong religious beliefs."
Not only was a completely different diagnosis thus presented to the employer :brows: he concluded that it wasn't in the slightest bit extreme in any case, and pretty well concluded that the employer had been acting inappropriately in seeking to construct what we used to call "a medical disciplinary situation" (which was a breach of their own policy too). Suffice to say, no action was brought against the employee, and the whole affair was left to wither away on the vine (so to speak)
No relevence at all but..
My doctor used to be a Muslim and everytime i went even when i had a bad knee he blamed it on smoking, its just a pity im still fit and well and he's now had to retire due to a triple heart bypass. (rumour has it brought on by alcohol).
My doctor used to be a Muslim and everytime i went even when i had a bad knee he blamed it on smoking, its just a pity im still fit and well and he's now had to retire due to a triple heart bypass. (rumour has it brought on by alcohol).
To be honest, I'm not sure what our particular Nemisis was, (though had a suspicion based on his name) and the origins of the professional incoming migrant class of this particular city. Having just lobbed the name into google it gives me two possibilities, the first of which is what I thought, the second however would explain quite a bit and hadn't occured to me given its minority status (about 0.5% of the Indian population). Having said that, it's one of the worlds least oppressive and troublesome, though would strictly preclude alcohol.
urm....... It does add up all of a sudden <_<
urm....... It does add up all of a sudden <_<
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Ardross
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Never count your chickens ....
Stop replying then. As your not getting an argument from me, it 9am on a Sunday.
As for meaningless statements, i see that all you have done in this thread is post them too, picking up on what others post, Get a grip and stop acting like a child.
Relevence = Uncountable and not associated with this topic = Random.
It was my definition of ignorant irony.
As for meaningless statements, i see that all you have done in this thread is post them too, picking up on what others post, Get a grip and stop acting like a child.
Relevence = Uncountable and not associated with this topic = Random.
It was my definition of ignorant irony.
Your missing the point or maybe your trying to draw me into a racial argument but i was'nt trying to make any point so there is no point in trying to find the point, it was just a random post in general about a muslim doctor and myself and theres no rational argument to be had in this instance.
Christ next time maybe i should PM you and ask permission.
Christ next time maybe i should PM you and ask permission.
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Ardross
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Calm down please both of you .
simmo
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Funnily enough, the doctor whom I used to use was Asian (no idea about his religious tendencies, I never asked). He also blamed every ailment which I had on smoking.
I suspect it was because he was shit and/or couldn't be bothered making a proper diagnosis.
I have no idea about his current well-being.
Merlin the Magician
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Pro: what is your doctor now, then, a Roman Catholic? :brows: You can't 'used to' be a Muslim. Once you're born and brought up in a Muslim family, you can't change. If you try, you can be executed under Shari'ah law, which kinda keeps the urge to become a Buddhist down. (Clivex will now tell me how appalling this is. Unfortunately, I'll have to agree.) 
I agree, those Buddhists have got a lot to answer for placing all that temptation in the righteous wayOriginally posted by krizon@Jan 16 2007, 09:19 PM
Once you're born and brought up in a Muslim family, you can't change. If you try, you can be executed under Shari'ah law, which kinda keeps the urge to become a Buddhist down. (Clivex will now tell me how appalling this is. Unfortunately, I'll have to agree.)
He used to be a Muslim is what i said. He can't still be a muslim now he's dead can he ?Originally posted by krizon@Jan 16 2007, 08:19 PM
Pro: what is your doctor now, then, a Roman Catholic? :brows: You can't 'used to' be a Muslim. Once you're born and brought up in a Muslim family, you can't change. If you try, you can be executed under Shari'ah law, which kinda keeps the urge to become a Buddhist down. (Clivex will now tell me how appalling this is. Unfortunately, I'll have to agree.)
