Kevin Myers's Article

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From the irish times, tuesday 9th.

Interesting, but was always guaranteed to open a can of worms. Respected journo's looking for the IRish times editor to resign after this was allowed to print.

How did Edward Walsh feel as he found himself sitting outside the warm tepee of political correctness, and in the howling blizzard of reality, after his remarks about unmarried mothers? Kevin Myers writes.

Not very comfortable, probably. Never mind, Ed, I'm used to the vitriolic epistolary hiss in the column inches that besiege me in my little corner here. We can sit together here in the snow and perish together - or maybe think the unthinkable.

Such as that our system of benefits to unmarried mothers is creating a long-term time-bomb. Even as things stand, we are bribing the unmotivated, the confused, the backward, the lazy into making the worst career decision of their young lives, and becoming professional unmarried mothers, living off the State until the grave takes over. Our welfare system is creating benefits-addicted, fatherless families who will be raised in a culture of personal and economic apathy - and from such warped timber, true masts are seldom hewn.

The response of Anne Bowen, policy officer of the One Parent organisation was - naturally - that Ed's remarks were "offensive" and "hurtful". God knows why she didn't say "unhelpful", "unsavoury" or "distasteful", which form part of the usual verbal repertoire of the politically correct. This assesses any political observation not on its factual merits but on the lachrymosity of the audience.

So she naturally declared that it would be extremely "hurtful" to suggest that women would choose single parenthood for financial pain, or that "they would be put themselves before their children". No doubt it is hurtful. But is it true? And how many girls - and we're largely talking about teenagers here - consciously embark upon a career of mothering b*****ds because it seems a good way of getting money and accommodation from the State? Ah. You didn't like the term b*****d? No, I didn't think you would. In the welfare-land of Euphemesia, what is the correct term for the offspring of unmarried mothers? One-parent offspring? But when we use that deceitful term, one-parent, we actually mean fatherless, in the social meaning of the word, though not of course in the genetic sense. The lads who (in Sinead O'Connor's immortal word) are the donors are probably off elsewhere, donating away wherever and whenever they can, and usually without having to pay a penny of child support for the results of their generous donations.

Ed had suggested that mothers of b*****ds could earn up to €20,000 a year from benefits. Through her gushing tears, Anne inconsolably declared that a lone parent (i.e., a MoB) gets only €148.80 a week, plus €19.30 per child. And indeed, this would be impossible to live on if it were all that the State forked out; but it is not. In addition, the State pays for the MoBs' rented accommodation - worth over €13,000 or more a year. So the MoB's real income could come to nearly €23,000. If you're working, you have to have pre-tax earnings in the region of €38,000 to match that income.

All of which is a long-winded way of describing insanity - because we all agree it is mad to bribe impressionable young women into a life of MoBbery, which is crushingly limiting, with little sense of achievement or personal ambition, and no career to speak of, other - that is - from cash-crop whelping.

And how do MoBs cope when their male b*****ds (in a literal sense) become metaphorical b*****ds in adolescence? How does a woman assert her will over a sour, aggressive, uncommunicative teenage boy? Well, she usually doesn't - as a study of the parental backgrounds of gang members in London and New York - where they are ahead of us in such matters - will tell you. Mob members usually have stressed-out MoBs for mothers, and absent FoBs for dads.

The central heresy underlying welfarism is that benefits don't influence general conduct and that all the State is doing is simply helping individuals. Social groups - the argument goes - do not emerge in direct response to welfare payments. That's what liberals in the US said, so they formulated policies that were kind and good, and certainly not ones that were designed to corrupt and deprave. But corrupt and deprave they did. Welfare lines and teenage moms by the hundred thousand emerged as a direct result of the apparently but illusorily attractive State incentive not to work.

Well, even that compulsive sharer of pain, Bill Clinton, knew something tough had to be done: at the instigation of a Republican-dominated Congress, he began a concerted drive against MoBbery, cutting welfare and introducing strong tax incentives for working MoBs. The results were amazing. After 30 years of unbroken increase, the rise in MoBbery was swiftly halted. Welfare handouts plummeted; and 10 years on, two out of three MoBs are now in work.

We just know that's not going to happen in Ireland while debate remains mired in the schoolgirl swamp of what is "hurtful" and "offensive": why, thith howwid talk makes one want to cwy. Even our super-sized MEP, Big Mac, tearfully denounced Ed for his heartless remarks. Well, naturally. After all, Sinn Féin/IRA have strong proprietorial feelings about single-parent families, having made hundreds and hundreds of them out of what had originally been two-parent families: why, God love them, they've even dabbled in making a good few no-parent families.

We have 80,000 MoBs, and the numbers are rising; time to ring the alarm bells. But of course, in Dáil Éireann, we'll get some weepy, sanctimonious bilge over what is "offensive", while the rest reach for the ear-plugs.
 
Nor me to be honest. He is figure of hatred over here at the best of times. High class, liberal, to the right, but has heaped a lot of pressure on his stance here. It stems from a college dean's (ed walsh mentioned in the first paragraph) theses, backed with studies from the US, that single parent families lead to more kids involved in anti social behaviour. Prickly nettle to grasp.
 
He's worded a sensible discussion in about as distasteful a way as he could find to put it. Obviously intended to stir things up.
 
I think its fine article and agree with it. I know of one girl who was paying €15 a week for a €160 a week house. Added to this a very large percentage of them work off the books part time and you could earn over the figure that he mentions in his article.
 
We have politicians and other people over her with similar views. They go something like this: Unmaried girls get pregnant so that they can claim state benefits and never have to work again.

That sweeping generalisation of an opinion is utter crap.
 
I agree its sweeping generalisation but I have selfish reasons for believing it.

I got caught...
 
"Unmaried girls get pregnant so that they can claim state benefits and never have to work again."

There definitely is an element who think like that. My guess is, in most cases, they find the reality is less attractive than the proposition.

Although it does grate that some people will try to take advantage of a not particularly generous social welfare system, the alternative of having a less generous one is far worse.
 
Why exactly would he be wrong?

Because the girl that you impregnated was not intending to become the mother of Gearoid Jnr for any reason at all, let alone to claim benefit.

Do I not see any truth in the article?

As written it is grossly misleading as it implies that all unmarried mothers have chosen that state as a substitute career move. I have already used the technical term "crap" to describe that opinion.

As I said before, we have our own equivalents of Myers over here, and many of them. The fact is that if we study the results of objective scientific studies illegitimacy rates in the UK are shown to be not only relatively constant, they are also relatively low. If you allow for those children born into de facto marriages and therefore the responsibility of both parents - a sign of how marriage is considered unnecessary by many in all classes of society - you will see that the introduction of or increase in benefits has had absolutely no effect on the percentage of illegitimate births. That's in the UK - I have no facts for Ireland but my guess would be that since the enlightenment on contraception Ireland would have seen a drop, or, at least, no increase.

Perhaps Myers would like to see a return to the days when the child was seized by the church/state (the two seem to have been so interlinked as to make no difference) to be sent to a "good Catholic home" and the young mother locked up in what was virtually a penal institution?

Of course there are people in the UK and in Ireland having babies and claiming benefit as a result. What would people like Myers do without them?
 
"it implies that all unmarried mothers have chosen that state as a substitute career move"

It actually doesn't, but was carefully intended to read like that for the sake of mischievousness on the part of the writer.
 
Thanks for clearing that up. I see your point. My inital reaction to it was that he was was drawing attention to the emount of single parent children (Mob's) and giving his reason for why it is so prolific.
 
The reason why there are APPARENTLY more unmarried mothers than, say, back in the 1980s and much further back, is for the reasons Brian has stated. If you were 'unlucky' enough to become pregnant in, say, the 1960s, conventional wisdom was that you were a social outcast, the baby a disgrace, and should be given away and the whole matter swept under the carpet as soon as possible. Abortion was illegal for decades, and often went horribly wrong, resulting in septicemia or the bleeding to death of the young mother-to-be in the process.

Thank goodness social evolution has taken place to some degree, and that clinical, safe abortions are available to those who feel unable to cope with the responsibility of bringing up a child to adulthood, and who may be mere children themselves. And for, by and large, a change in attitude to PARENTS of pregnant girls, who no longer threaten to throw them into the street, along with their 'bastards'. Most families decide to support the course of action their daughter wants to take, whether to terminate the foetus or to take it to term and keep the baby.

Therefore, most babies are now brought up in a 'wanted' environment, where they can be loved and nurtured, regardless of whether their father wants to have anything to do with them or not.

You only have to look at programmes about people who were 'given away' to see the dysfunction it has caused in their lives, and to their heartbroken mothers, forced into state and Church-sanctioned delivery of their weeks-old baby to strangers. There is too, too much sadness and grief connected with such a system for it to be the alternative to what now happens.

And, frankly, I just do NOT believe that any young woman or girl thinks "Gee, if I can get myself up the duff, stuck for life with the responsibility of bringing up a baby through to full adulthood, with all of the extreme disadvantages it will give me, I can get a poxy Council flat in a grotty neighbourhood, with headbangers upstairs, a crack house round the corner, and non-stop vandalism! Wow! That sounds like a winner to me!"
 
It is grotesque . What a shame those Magdalen houses aren't still around for these Irish benefit scroungers of young mothers .

Strange is it not that nowadays every bigot tries to justify their intolerance by labelling their opponents as politically correct
 
Myers is not one of the old fashioned catholic types (quite the opposite in fact) and is not opposing the blight of the single mother on society on moral grounds, more on economic grounds. IMO. I dont think that there is anyone left in Ireland who would advocate the Magdalen scenario. As melendez has stated he couldnt have been more nasty in calling single -mothers as Mothers of bastards. There is an argument worth having in behind his bluster.
 
What is the address of those Magdalane Sisters. My daughter recently dropped out of university ........
 
Garney, I think the discussion worth having is why have so many young people continued to have sex, with the result being the production of a human being, when there is no need for it to occur, unless really wanted? It's not as if there's vast ignorance, or a lack of preventatives like spermicides, condoms, the morning-after pill, or even the pill taken regularly, let alone the option to terminate the pregnancy if it is really not wanted. It's not that young people didn't have sex, but it was pretty limited, even when I was young, even in the 1960s (no, everyone was not 'doing it', contrary to popular belief!), and it seems darned strange that so many babies are being produced, without the love and support of the male who gave them life.

Of course, there are many young parents caring for their offspring together, but the 'single mother' is so common nowadays, sometimes begetting by a number of different 'sires', that you do wonder WHY? To fall pregnant once may be unfortunate, but twice is surely very careless!

Are some young women feeling so worthless, so unvalued and unloved, that they have to produce a dependent being in order to feel otherwise? It's certainly very sad indeed if they do.
 
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