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Digger said:
Bookies Bookies and more Bookies. "What can we do for racing" "More racing! Its proven to bring in more money for racing" :blink::blink:
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He didn't say more racing, he said the current fixture list number is ideal for bringing a return to racing. There is of course a bell curve and he didn't suggest going further along that curve.
 
"increased fixtures = increased stakes = increased levy" ignoring the fact that racing is diluted so much that you end up with a couple of hundred punters actualy watching on and most just betting on it with "off shore" bookies.
 
Digger said:
"increased fixtures = increased stakes = increased levy" ignoring the fact that racing is diluted so much that you end up with a couple of hundred punters actualy watching on and most just betting on it with "off shore" bookies.
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Did you watch the presentation?! It isn't diluted from a turnover point of view, that's the point.
 
I get that Gamla... and thats my major worry. Its ALL about the bookmaker profits. #freelunchesallround.
 
Whichever way you dress it up, the fixture list is at the behest of the bookmakers while the majority of industry others seem to think there's too much racing.
The sooner UK racing adopts the Irish model of 1p in the £ levy on all bets, the sooner the bookies will lose their grip on the BHA's knackers.
 
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Nope. Still missing the point.

The more turnover on British horse racing (so the more money bet in betting shops, with Bet 365, Betfair, Totesport, on the Tote and independents) the more money that goes back to British racing.

If you decrease the fixture list, the turnover goes down and so does gross win and therefore so does levy. You could have 1p in the £1 levy but then you'd see much less competitive over rounds like in Ireland and the consumer/punter pays the price.
 
The over round in the bumper in Tipperary is 154% and probably still contains a rick or two.
 
That may be the case GS, but (strapped as they are) they still pay better prize money, and aren't subject to nearly the dross we have to contend with. It is supposed to be a sport, after all.
 
Dross like this you mean....?

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/re...lts_top_tabs=re_&results_bottom_tabs=ANALYSIS

Two divisions of it as well. The reason they don't have as much "dross" is because there isn't a horse population to support it and probably won't be for some time due to the economic climate there. There is a horse population which supports the current UK fixture list in contrast however.

Prize money is poor in the UK but cutting the fixture list is definitely not the answer within the current framework. It would only cut prize money even more.
 
Gamla Stan said:
Dross like this you mean....?

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/re...lts_top_tabs=re_&results_bottom_tabs=ANALYSIS

Two divisions of it as well. The reason they don't have as much "dross" is because there isn't a horse population to support it and probably won't be for some time due to the economic climate there. There is a horse population which supports the current UK fixture list in contrast however.

Prize money is poor in the UK but cutting the fixture list is definitely not the answer within the current framework. It would only cut prize money even more.
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Nice one Stan. The 'dross' Irish race you selected is worth a piece more than any race at Brighton today, 7 of the 8 at Catterick and 4 of the 6 at Wolves. :)
The horse population expanded in line with the 2000 or so extra races per year created for them; most courtesy of Peter Savill's introduction of class 6 & 7 races.
The current framework is wrong, and the short answer is because the bookmakers had it built to suit their own ends, not the sport's.
 
reet hard said:
Nice one Stan. The 'dross' Irish race you selected is worth a piece more than any race at Brighton today, 7 of the 8 at Catterick and 4 of the 6 at Wolves. :)
The horse population expanded in line with the 2000 or so extra races per year created for them; most courtesy of Peter Savill's introduction of class 6 & 7 races.
The current framework is wrong, and the short answer is because the bookmakers had it built to suit their own ends, not the sport's.
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I couldn't care if it was run for 2 million, it is still a dross race for dross horses but unfortunately, we need them.
 
No 1 can compete with ballydoyle in Ireland it's a 1 man sport over there which makes it dull as duck to watch.
 
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