Lexus

Some horse that Bobs Worth, I tell thee. Look at how he battled from the last fence.

You want to keep an eye on that Lord Windermere, Dougie made an early move in the back straight from the rear and because he's such a gross horse he was caught out wide and really couldn't find an extra gear to go pass his rivals but stayed in contention.

He wouldn't be at this level but there's a race in him at a big price, talented horsey.
 
Talented as they are he and Unioniste very much exposed off the home turn as not good enough.

Rubi Ball for a horse that has had so much racing in France ran a blinder .
 
Irish racing so mickey mouse - 7/8 horses on the bridle at the second last. Why are races never run at adecent pace?
 
Hmmm - where did the thread go that many of you stated Bob's Worth had "gone" after his last race and I stated if Barry Geraghty was happy that was good enough for me.......... (for which I seem to remember I was slated) - delighted to see the horse make so many look stupid.

Honestly some of you need to realise horses are not racing cars and need the conditions to be right on the day for them perform to their best and even then many will have off days. Too many people will write a horse off way too prematurely.
 
Hamm said:
Irish racing so mickey mouse - 7/8 horses on the bridle at the second last. Why are races never run at adecent pace?
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I can't answer why they don't go a good pace, I have a few hypothesis nevertheless although going slow isn't a bad thing or shouldn't be viewed as negative anyway.
 
jinnyj said:
Hmmm - where did the thread go that many of you stated Bob's Worth had "gone" after his last race and I stated if Barry Geraghty was happy that was good enough for me.......... (for which I seem to remember I was slated) - delighted to see the horse make so many look stupid.

Honestly some of you need to realise horses are not racing cars and need the conditions to be right on the day for them perform to their best and even then many will have off days. Too many people will write a horse off way too prematurely.
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That's a fair point, but until Kauto and Denman rewrote the rule book it was the exception for GC winners not to be 'bottomed' by their Cheltenham exertions, so it's not too unreasonable for people to have suspected that may have happened to Bob's Worth after his lacklustre Haydock showing.
 
jinnyj said:
Hmmm - where did the thread go that many of you stated Bob's Worth had "gone" after his last race and I stated if Barry Geraghty was happy that was good enough for me.......... (for which I seem to remember I was slated) - delighted to see the horse make so many look stupid.

Honestly some of you need to realise horses are not racing cars and need the conditions to be right on the day for them perform to their best and even then many will have off days. Too many people will write a horse off way too prematurely.
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Indeed so... for the same reason the likes of Long Run and Sprinter Sacre shouldn't be off to pasture just yet.;)
 
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Some horse that Bobs Worth, I tell thee. Look at how he battled from the last fence.

You want to keep an eye on that Lord Windermere, Dougie made an early move in the back straight from the rear and because he's such a gross horse he was caught out wide and really couldn't find an extra gear to go pass his rivals but stayed in contention.

He wouldn't be at this level but there's a race in him at a big price, talented horsey.
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The lack of pace in the race didnt suit him prob a bit short of top class
 
Ted Walsh spoke about that the other day Hamm - wish I had the recording . Basic gist was that pipe era etc got it stuck in English racing mentality that you belt one out in front and the fittest thrive. Suggested that Irish mentality is a bit more always with longer term in mind - different kind of jockey ship. Not doing his point justice without verbatim but he pretty much addressed that issue head on. Mickey Mouse seems a bit strong. They didn't hang about in the champagne fever novice race if yer looking for truly run form. A lot of leopardstown winners still end up winning at Cheltenham so can't say it devalues it
 
Agree the CF/Defy logic race was run at a good clip. Usually, however you have a slow pace (i am not looking for Pipe era frontrunners) and if a non graded race half the field out the back not trying. That to me is mickey mouse racing, even if the quality of the better horses is as top notch as England.
 
Slow races are good for competition because it brings together the class gap between horses.
 
Cruella said:
That's a fair point, but until Kauto and Denman rewrote the rule book it was the exception for GC winners not to be 'bottomed' by their Cheltenham exertions, so it's not too unreasonable for people to have suspected that may have happened to Bob's Worth after his lacklustre Haydock showing.
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Best Mate rewrote the rule book first by winning three for the first time since himself. How ironic it is that the Henrietta Knight method that was so pilloried at the time "of the three runs a year for Grade 1 staying chasers " is now adopted by just about all the top trainers.
 
Jambo said:
Ted Walsh spoke about that the other day Hamm - wish I had the recording . Basic gist was that pipe era etc got it stuck in English racing mentality that you belt one out in front and the fittest thrive. Suggested that Irish mentality is a bit more always with longer term in mind - different kind of jockey ship. Not doing his point justice without verbatim but he pretty much addressed that issue head on. Mickey Mouse seems a bit strong. They didn't hang about in the champagne fever novice race if yer looking for truly run form. A lot of leopardstown winners still end up winning at Cheltenham so can't say it devalues it
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So Walsh thinks that the top Irish chasers stick around longer at the top level does he? Because they are managed for the "long term"

Bollocks
 
Mark Johnston hasn't done bad for himself by thrashing one out in front, he's Scottish and would probably wipe the floor with most NH trainers if he ventured in that direction, luckily for them, it looks like he's more interested in Greyhounds.
 
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By long term he moreso meant later in season as opposed to giving a horse an unnecessary hard race with other targets to come especially if you are confident of winning however the race is one. Think he said that what is sometimes considered a proper pace in England is viewed in Ireland as a lunatic going off far too fast. Interesting that sizing Europes jockey was perceived as going off too fast on this forum and stringing them out. Was that a proper pace or lunacy?

Anyway, what the hell would Walsh know? He's only the dad and confidante of a jockey who knows the comparisons in style very well.
 
Long Run has surely had it as far as top class competition is concerned. The only impact he can have on a future Gold Cup is if he is running loose, although after three (by his previous high standard) poor runs, the 'competitive weight' that will undoubtedly be given to him by Phil Smith will be the joint-main talking point of the National weights reveal in Feb.

I don't know what the answer is as I don't suppose he will be eligible for hunter chases for another season or two. Maybe give him 18 months off.
 
Jambo. An "unnecessary hard race" in the Lexus ? Is that what we are about? "Unnecessary" to give the horse the best chance of winning this grade one?

If that's where we are, it's not a good place is it?

And as Keynes said. In the long run, we are all dead
 
Walsh was speaking earlier in week - not directly in relation to Lexus. A general point similar to Hamms original general point. I'd imagine the lack of natural front runner more a factor today in addition to fact its a testing track in heavy ground. Lieutenant can but with a dubious stayer yer hardly gonna go nuts. Logical, no? Or is it 'bollocks'
 
Well you were responding to hams point so naturally assume you were referring to the Lexus or at least other grade ones

Otherwise it didn't really address his post perhaps But ok.
 
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Hamm said:
Irish racing so mickey mouse - 7/8 horses on the bridle at the second last. Why are races never run at adecent pace?
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I put it down to bad jockeyship. I'd be very surprised if an Irish NH jockey could ever succeed in the UK.
 
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