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Sorry, messed that up....

I tend to agree and if I’m advocating anything here it is ‘strategic patience’ if that makes sense. Ideological shifts and softenings of historically forged entrenchments do occur.

Maybe the realignment needs to be multilateral. If we are naïve enough to think that this will simply be a case of us sitting around waiting for Islam to ‘see the light’ or think that we can bomb them back onto the bus to ‘civilisation’ we are going to be very disappointed.

I don't do all the Western self-hate stuff but some element of self-examination surely has to be in order at some point.

[QUOTE="Ivantheterrible, post: 2575900, member: 66138"] Sorry, messed that up.... I tend to agree and if I’m advocating anything here it is ‘strategic patience’ if that makes sense. Ideological shifts and softenings of historically forged entrenchments do occur. Maybe the realignment needs to be multilateral. If we are naïve enough to think that this will simply be a case of us sitting around waiting for Islam to ‘see the light’ or think that we can bomb them back onto the bus to ‘civilisation’ we are going to be very disappointed. I don't do all the Western self-hate stuff but some element of self-examination surely has to be in order at some point. [/QUOTE]

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