Margaret Hassan

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There's nothing I can say . The persons responsible are not concerned about morality . It was openly advertised that this lady had spent 30 yrs looking after the most impoverished Iraqi people and the general public there actively campagned for her release but in the current climate that amounts to 0
 
It is for me the worst of all . OK she did not suffer the same obscene death as Mr Bigley and others but considering what she had been doing for 30 years and that she opposed the invasion the wickedness of it leaves me speechless
 
Another tragedy is that Hundreds of IRAQi women and children are being slaughtered every day.
 
PDJ and Dereck
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In this kind of serious situation and touch of sense of humor is welcomed for the spirit....... :brows:
 
sunybay,
i think that you are seriously disturbed person if you think that it is something to laugh at if hundreds of IRAQI women and children are slaughtered.

Do you think that IRAQI women and children are worthless and therefore should not be considered as statistics of the war?

I could ring your bell all day long but it would do no good.

There is nothing inside only rabid hatred.

Shame really.
 
I don't think Iraqi women and children are worthless Derek, but there is a lot of difference between their deaths in a combat zone and one where they are murdered/executed in cold blood.
 
I don't think you need me to explain what it means Derek, you appear to be a bright enough sort of chap to sort it out yourself.

However, in any war that I can recall, innocent civilians, men, women and children are killed purely by being in the location of the war zone. Modern weapons can be discriminate, but only up to a certain extent.

Innocent civilians may have been killed by soldiers in the current fighting (probably were) and I can't condone that, but never having been in a combat situation I also find it difficult to judge them, not knowing the circumstances. Whether they have been targeted or have not by soldiers, it doesn't run into hundreds a day.

Like you and many others on here, I would prefer the conflict to be between the insurgents and the soldiers, but war isn't as straightforward as that unfortunately. Todays methods used by the US etc are far more discriminate than those used in wars from our recent history and suicide bombers and car bombs, the preferred method of the terrorist, kills a fair number of innocent bystanders as well.

I can't really see the comparison between a situation such as above and the kidnapping of an unarmed person at gunpoint and eventually shooting or beheading them with their hands behind their backs. Both are regrettable, one is unavoidable.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me how the former can be avoided, unless of course there is no war to start with, but then we both live in a real world, I think?
 
Originally posted by sunybay@Nov 17 2004, 11:39 AM
PDJ and Dereck
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In this kind of serious situation and touch of sense of humor is welcomed for the spirit....... :brows:
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Re: Suny's critics , The remarks by PDJ and Brian were satirical and directed against the government .You might have misinterpreted Suny's post . Personally I did'n't think he was offensive . Know not to buy you a Private Eye subsciption for xmas then :rolleyes:
 
I was horrified to read (although I am not sure if it 100% true) that the body that was found, that they have worked out was Margarets was also very badly mutilated. Was shooting her in the head not enough if these reports are true?
Words totally fail me.
 
Kathy , that report was unconfirmed and seemed unlikely given that Mrs Hassan was shot . Another Polish aid worker is also missing and the last report I heard was that the dismembered body was more likely to be hers .
 
It's awful whoevers body it is, but it sent a shiver down my spine when I read it could have been that of Margaret Hassans. That was what confused me, if they had shot her in the head why then dismember her body as well. I read they were checking dental records to be able to confirm one way or the other if the dismembered body was hers.

I am sure we are only hearing a very small selection of the real horrors that are taking place out there at the moment.
 
Griff,
lets talk about clearing the area and i am only going to talk about FALLUJA.

One of the first weapons of choice is the large air burst bomb.This bomb explodes a few hundred feet above the ground and and scatters metal over an area the size of a football field.Kills everything within the area.

This takes care of the open spaces around the edges of the Battle Zone .

Now we move into the City and are likely to make closer contact with the enemy.

As soon as contact is made (usually by a decoy) C130's are called in with those pesky machine gunes that fire at a rate of thousandsof rounds a minute.this has the effect of encouraging the enemy to take refuge.Then the emplacements are Bombed using Bombs of up to 1000lbs.

By this time the enemy is a bit groggy so we call up the tanks and they pound away for a couple of hours until there is only rubble left.

This excercise is repeated from the North/North West down to the South East corner with has as it's boundry the Euphrates.The river by the way is patrolled by Apache Helicopters that kill everything in the river.

Two weeks have now passed and the insurgents are now cornered in the SE.

House to House fighting is now taking place US style a Brigade of tanks flatten the area and hope,when they are finished.there are no more insurgents.

House to house fighting entails going into pre prepared houses and killing injured enemy combatants.

Now after all this area cleaning,the surpising thing is that there is still fighting all over FALLUJAH .

Weapons are indeed accurate and they more often than not hit thier target.

What we forget is that a laser,uranium depleted warhead may hit a door from a few thousand feet,but it has no idea who is in there.

Neither does a tank round that has tavelled 100 yards and gone through four or five houses killing a few on it's way.

I would be surprised if a gunner sat behind one those mounted mpg's knew what he was even shooting at.

Independant estimates suggests that over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND civilians have been killed in this conflict. This does not include FALLUJAH.

Of course all this death and destruction is not enough,The City is off limits to the Red Cross.The Hopsital is off limits to The injured.The city is off limits to the Medics.

There is no Water,no Electricity and there are all sorts of nasty sicknesses infesting anything left alive in the city.

What Pisses me off even more is that this is going to happen in several more Cities in IRAQ and all in the name of Democracy.
 
Kathy , just on the news tonight that the Polish lady has been found and released thankfully so I'm terribly afraid that your initial view might be correct .
 
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