Marks & Spencer 5p bags to save the planet

harry

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I fully endorse this idea.....except..... How many items you buy are plastic wrapped?

I'll tell you....ALL OF THEM:mad:

What a load of bollocks

Maybe not wrap 100% of food in plastic might help more???????

And whilst I'm at it.. I drive 5m less per week :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

This country :surrender:
 
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Harry, you've touched upon a subject dear to my heart in that I dont agree that plastic bags are a major problem.

Firstly, the science, plastic bag take upwards of 100 years to rot away i.e. carbon is being locked away for said 100 years. Thats a good thing for global warming. How can government scientists not get this message through?

Secondly, plastic bags are recycled in the home, a single example - for muddy football boots.

Therefore, I'm sorry to say the the 'save the earth' brigade have got their priorities plain wrong. A fact I tell my supermarket cashier at least once a week

MR2
 
There's plastic, and there's plastic. For example, I've noted quite a lot of the running rails at a certain track are already degrading and flaking to small pieces. That's not taking even 10 years to rot away! Our local 'right on' shop provides bags made from corn starch, which are absolutely biodegradable but useless as bags - anything with a pointy bit rips them immediately.

The distressing business at the moment is the current fad for bio-fuel, meaning that orang-utans are losing their lives as their habitats are stripped, and they are shot or captured for pet trades. All around us, we're constantly battered by information about the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, which is a floating island of wall-to-wall plastic which presumably ships have dumped at sea, along with the horrors of nylon netting capturing and drowning sharks, dolphins, turtles, etc. Every time we think a method of doing something is better, it's worse in the long run, it seems.

We do need to save the Earth, but it's probably too late. Doesn't matter, really, as the whole thing will be fritzed in around 5 billion years time when the Sun goes into the final stages of its decaying orbit, but for those in the here and now, every time something is proposed as a 'better this' or 'better that', let's have a good look at the true cost to life on our little blue marble.
 
My tesco bags biodegrade as soon as i walk out of the shop....

the turtles are being killed off by all the plastic bags in the sea iirc - they think they are jellyfish (which are their favourite food) and chomp on the plastic bags,then it kills them :(

I dont get why we cant just send tankers out to this floating island of crap though and just scoop it up??
 
I don't know why they don't, either, Troodles. Probably because no single country wants to contribute to a global responsibility for all the mess around the world. Did you see that new programme about a globe-trotting English vet? He performs flying surgeries on all sorts of animals. He showed how in India, where 'recycling' means cycling to work and back, goats and cattle are also eating plastic bags by the ton. Literally the ton. The cows' rumens get solidified with the muck, which doesn't break down and soon makes them blow up with putrid gases. He opened up one cow's rumen and proceeded to pull out about 30 kilos of stinking, putrid, muck, all attached to endless lines of plastic bagging. The animal was nearly half the size it had got to after that had been removed.

There's no excuse for throwing all your (literal) crap and rubbish into the streets as is happening in Africa, India, and even the Middle East. I remember visiting some windblown site in a desert in Saudi Arabia, purportedly along one of the famed caravanserais, where one of their ancient poets wrote his verse. The place was a shithole of plastic bags, Coke cans, discarded cigarette cartons and other assorted junk. So much for heritage! The Saudi tour guide didn't even seem to notice it, either, until a bunch of us vented our scorn.

Most of these countries are rich themselves, or, if not so rich, receiving endless millions annually in aid. We can guess where most of the money goes, when we see places like Mugabe's gilded palace, or Chiluba's rows and rows of handmade Swiss suits, made while he took some £63,000,000 of British aid out of Zambia's coffers and into the ask-no-questions Swiss banks. Meanwhile, their people die of AIDS and malaria, their roads cause fatal accidents because of washed-away bridges and pot-holes, and there's no longer any fresh water in villages because the boreholes haven't been maintained.

It's all very well, financially-secure, middle-class Westerners thinking they're doing their bit for the planet by using rope shopping bags, when tens of millions around the globe are filthying it up every day, and dying in the process, while their corrupt government officials withold the money to put it right.

There's pitiful control over the aid, because the countries which receive it pretend they're autonomous, and the elephant in the room is that the West knows they're corrupt, but refuses to withold the aid, as they say 'at least some' gets through to the people. But these countries are as much subjects to dependence, as any of them would've been under colonisation, except that the colonists made sure everything ran as well as possible. Yes, of course, to ensure good standards were upheld for their own welfare, but at least they passed on legacies of education, cleanliness, sewer systems, crop rotation versus slash-and-burn, clean water supplies, well-made and maintained roads, and garbage collection systems which ensured kids didn't play in someone else's faeces, and animals weren't eating filth. The misuse of plastic has contributed a huge amount to spoiling the seas and damaging human and animal health, but no government is sincerely putting their back into stopping it, and many governments couldn't give a damn, as long as their MPs are fattening their wallets.

(If someone sends me a large cheque, I'll stop ranting!)
 
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Kri,

This rage will do you no good at all.

Do what I do and research and store away good curses.

Unfortunately, many from the middle ages have not yet found their way onto the ether but its good fun spending an hour or so in a library finding things the old way.

Then when you have found a good one some up all your passion and spit forth the words.

Enjoy - MR2
 
My now defunct push bike has had a TESCO carrier bag over the seat for the past year and its shredded away! Are Tesco bags inferior to M&Sparks bags then?????:confused::p:lol: they say they won't rot away, but its happened here in the Bronx........:p
 
I decided that I hated plastic bags that shred when you put anything in them and went all out and paid up for the "jute" bags from the store I work for. They are brilliant - last forever, can carry anything and are totally reusable!

So rather than spend 5p on a bag that wont last the journey home, spend £1 - £2.50 on a decent jute bag that goes on for years!
 
Lakeland sell some really big jute bags for about £3.50 - called The Big Blue Bag. I have about 3 and use them for everything.
 
Aha, Monty - I do have a copy of 'Altered English' from Past Times, which provides a feast of words which once meant something entirely different in days of yore. Also a Collins which is well over 50 years old and has some superb words in it, as does my Roget's. I will see what I can come up with for the next disapprobation.

I bought one of those stretchy rope fishnet-like bags, which do indeed stretch to hold mountains of goodies, but which regurgitate them over the floor if you have to set them down. Save the planet, maybe. Save one's temper - not a lot!
 
I took up Sainsbury's offer of "a bag for life" only 10p to start with and when it wears out you can replace it free. I've got about five of them though!
 
But plastic surely won't wear out in your lifetime, Walsy? We're told it doesn't biodegrade for something like a thousand years... good genes in your family?
 
We have had the recycable plastic bags here in Australia for over 5 years now. They are biodegradable, and much stronger than the traditional plastic bag. ALDI charges 15 cents for theres from memory. I am all for it, though its a pain sometimes carrying them to the shopping centres to reuse them, though all the supermarkets happily pack your goods into them. Last year in Hong Kong they brought in a tax for all plastic bags being used by people when they purchased an item, think it was $1 for them, to encourage people to recycle and reuse their old bags.
 
But plastic surely won't wear out in your lifetime, Walsy? We're told it doesn't biodegrade for something like a thousand years... good genes in your family?
They do split though, when I'm carrying my winnings back from the nice friendly local bookmaker!
 
i havent watched it Kri - but we get an awful lot of referrals/second opinions from the equine side of his practice.... they run the local small animal vets out of hours service too - from what Ive seen of the horse side, would have to be a complete life or death thing for me to have them to the dogs...

He is supposed to be very good though - and lets face it, hes fairly watchable ;) (assuming we are thinking about the same guy!!)
 
A tall, blonde-haired, fresh-faced young fellow, Troodles. I've forgotten what it's called - 'Vet on the Wild Side' or something like that. Good stuff, from what I've seen.
 
:lol::lol: I think these assorted wildlife/vet programmes are, for a lot of ladies, "never mind the sheep or the crocodiles - get yer shirt off"!
 
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