New Irish Driving Laws

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Drive-alone ban to hit 420,000 learners

By Treacy Hogan Environment Correspondent
Friday October 26 2007


MORE than 420,000 learner drivers will be banned from driving alone from midnight on Monday.


Their insurance will be also invalidated if they crash, road safety chiefs warned last night.

If people flout the new law -- announced by the Government yesterday -- they face fines of €1,000 or jail terms of up to three years on a second offence.

Gardai last night insisted they would implement the drastic new measures which will put an end to provision licence holders, on their second licence, being allowed to drive without being accompanied by a fully qualified driver.

The new learner permit system starts from Tuesday.

It replaces the provisional licence with a learner permit - but crucially, all current licence holders will have to abide by the new restrictions.

Assistant Garda Commissioner in charge of the Garda Traffic Corps, Eddie Rock, said the new rules would be enforced "in a very effective manner".

He insisted: "Prosecutions will be taken."

Mr Rock also emphasised that gardai would police the changes in a commonsense manner which involved advice and cautions to motorists driving unaccompanied.

The serious prospect of learner drivers who flout the changes not being insured was raised last night by chief executive of the Road Safety Authority, Noel Brett.

"It is our understanding that if drivers are not accompanied by a qualified driver they will not be insured and will invalidate their insurance in the event of a crash," he said.

The safety chief urged anyone on either a learner permit or a provisional licence to check with their insurance companies if they planned to drive unaccompanied.

Insurance sources said last night that while injured parties would be covered in a crash, some insurance companies could introduce clauses onto crash damage of the driver's car.

Learner permit holders will have to have held the permit for at least six months before applying for a driving test from December 1.

RSA chairman Gay Byrne said the new measures were necessary as inexperience was one of the major causes of road accidents here.

"It's absolutely statistically true that the 17- to 26-year-old male -- and it's a male problem, not a female problem -- are among the most dangerous drivers on the road," he said.

"Because young men suffer from a disease which can only be described as '17 to 26' -- that is the disease in itself,'' added Mr Byrne.

The plan will also involve the introduction of mandatory tuition for all learner drivers over the next three years.

The professional tuition will have to be recorded in a logbook.

It is also planned to introduce a reduced speed limit for learner drivers and a zero alcohol limit.

Under the new road safety strategy, the Road Safety Authority is to advise the Government on the recommended new blood alcohol level for drivers, but there no level given in the strategy.

It states that the Government will act immediately thereafter.

The new five-year plan is designed to save 400 lives between now and 2012.

The strategy contains 126 measures with specific and non-specific implementation dates. Named officials have been put in charge of each measure.

Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey yesterday said: "In effect it holds people accountable for saving lives and nobody can shirk from that."

Mr Dempsey said they had full buy-in from all of the agencies and government departments who had signed up to the strategy.

"There is 100pc commitment to make it work," he said.
 
Does that mean that, currently, you can drive solo without passing any kind of driving test as long as you've held a provisional licence long enough?
 
Looks like it could be delayed now until next year....it is certainly a faulty system but to suddenly change a system completely within 4 days is a joke...
 
Originally posted by granger+Oct 26 2007, 01:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (granger @ Oct 26 2007, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-archie@Oct 26 2007, 12:27 PM
Does that mean that, currently, you can drive solo without passing any kind of driving test as long as you've held a provisional licence long enough?
yes that was the norm[/b][/quote]
From this side of the pond that is just bizarre.

Admittedly, you can't go faster than walking pace in Dublin but it certainly explains a lot.
 
Originally posted by archie@Oct 26 2007, 01:27 PM
Does that mean that, currently, you can drive solo without passing any kind of driving test as long as you've held a provisional licence long enough?

The law has always been you had to be accompanied by a full driving licence holder on a first provisional licence at all times.. it just was never enforced. ..

the very 'irish' part was you could legally drive unaccompanied on a second provisional licence but were expected to revert to being accompanied at all times once on a third provisional licence.

So no it not just a case of how long been driving

The real change here is the law actually being enforced and the exemption from being accompanied that 2nd provisional licence holders had is being removed.

However a cynic has suggested it was announced to distract media attention away from Bertie and Co. s pay rises.. Love the fact he himself gets an increase larger than the average industrial wage...

the following from Breaking news today..

"The Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey has announced he is modifying the lead-in time for new rules governing holders of provisional licences.

The 122,000 people affected by the new regulations, which stated that a second-provisional licence holder could only drive in the company of a full-licence holder, now have until next June to complete their driving tests, the Minister said.

However, anyone who applies for a licence from next Tuesday will be issued with a learner permit, obliging them to be accompanied by a driver who has had a full licence for at least two years.

The applicants will also have to have six months of supervised driving practice before applying for a test.


From June 30, 2008, all provisional licence holders must be accompanied by a fully licensed driver of at least two years experience.

"This move is made in response to two clear messages from the public," the Minister said today.

"Firstly, there is strong support for the proposed reforms to improve road safety. Secondly, there is a strong desire for a reasonable lead-in time to enable people to prepare for and take their test or to make alternative arrangements.


"For these reasons I have decided to defer implementation of the requirement for second provisional licence holders to be accompanied until 30th June 2008."

The Minister said the Government was committed to providing the necessary finance to the Road Safety Authority to ensure that all 122, 000 applicants currently on the waiting list will have been tested by early March 2008.

He said that, by the end of June 2008, all applicants for a driving test would be able to get a test within 10 weeks. "



:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Gareth Flynn@Oct 28 2007, 05:15 PM
He said that, by the end of June 2008, all applicants for a driving test would be able to get a test within 10 weeks.

What's the current wait?
Depends where you are and which centre you apply to..
between 10 to 14 months from stories I have been told at the moment in Dublin..
Know mine took 50weeks from application to test! but that was a few years ago now..

Though You are able to get in matter of weeks if get job request for a test..
:rolleyes:
 
So he reckons he's gonna get it down from 12 months to 2 and a half months in the space of 8 months.

Good luck with that!
 
Originally posted by Gareth Flynn@Oct 28 2007, 05:26 PM
So he reckons he's gonna get it down from 12 months to 2 and a half months in the space of 8 months.

Good luck with that!
Its not a new claim either..Govt been saying the same for that last two or three years at least!! :rolleyes:

bit being omited at moment on news is that 1st provisional and 3rd provisional licence holders still should have some one with a full licence with them at all times.. That still not changed as the monday night deadline was just an enforcement of that part of the law !!! The only bit I understand that has changed is the change of 2nd provisional licence status... Adverts placed in todays papers now out of date... Chaos can only follow...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Just passed my test today, first time trying...thank god!! Now lets get rid of all those learner drivers!!!!
 
Shouldn't this be on the "Only In Ireland' thread??
It does all sound a bit, well, Irish to me - very glad I didn't know last time I hired a car over there that there were unsupervised learners all over the place!

Well done Gal - you can now get on with your life
I didn't learn til I was quite mature - it really does give you a whole new lease of life
 
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