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walsworth

walsworth

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How do others handle blatant non triers?

I'm talking about the ones that your preferred selection method has thrown up as a good bet. Do you put it down to experience and move on, or make a note to keep an eye out for it's next race?
 
There are certain races where it's very hard to back a non-trier and there are actually certain yards where the same applies.

Then there's the rest, who work/game the system to varying degrees.

Some are easier to second guess than others.

Yards I find hard to second guess I tend to steer clear of unless the odds of reward make it worth having a guess in the knowledge you might be on a "not today."

I consequently don't back many horses I subsequently consider to have been "not off."
 
Non trying is against the rules, you know😱

There are closed books and closed books, but the tightest shut for me is Jonjo.
 
walsworth said:
How do others handle blatant non triers?

I'm talking about the ones that your preferred selection method has thrown up as a good bet. Do you put it down to experience and move on, or make a note to keep an eye out for it's next race?
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I'll try to find out why?
Poor draw,wrong pace,interference or bad ride, but always start by questioning my own judgement.
 
My lift to hospital arrived before I had finished my post. I’ve had several of my selections come second to an “improver” just lately. My pick has run to its mark and when I look back at the previous race of the winner it is apparent that it wasn’t asked a serious question. Lesson for me to check every other runners previous race before making the bet.
 
My starting point is that I tend only to do valuable races where they should all be trying.

You tend to get an idea over time about which races they are targeting -eg Flegmatik - and can pretty much ignore them until then.

If I do end up backing one I think should be trying but obviously isn't I just try to figure out what it is targeting. I accept I'll never get it right every time - nowhere near that in fact - but I accept it as part of the game and don't get too annoyed. Usually.
 
I think it depends how much you need them. If you need one for the last leg of a multi then it's going to cost one big and then probably cost you again when you put your foot through the tv set.

As you've touched upon there it's usually the other end that hurts more when you've been done by one on the job.

I had a bad one some years back the sort that leaves a scar. I'd had a tusky ew double on one of the all weather tracks if memory serves Wolvo. Both horses finished 2nd but both got beat by a pair of Noel Quinlans who had duck egg recent form both got smashed from high double figure prices into really short prices and duly obliged. When quizzed about the epic plunge he confessed his mrs had had a tenner ew double on.My double would of fetched just shy of 5 figures at a time when I needed money a lot more than I do now and I'd been doublely done by a pair of rancid gambles.

So to answer your question how do you handle it ? Swear a lot, hit anything that doesn't have feelings, swear some more, have a sleepless night wondering what might have been. Have a good breakfast the next morning preferabley with a pint and then crack on.
 
Frankel said:
How many non triers are misinterpreted as that though?
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Depends on the person viewing. Some people try and blame every loser they back on a jockey or a non trying element. People who know their onions know the score when they've genuinely been on a non jigger. And with people like reet he's probably going to investigate it to a point to excuse a genuine non trier on other grounds or at least come down on the side of ignorance rather than malice.
 
I watch some and think why fk did you take that route, e.g. stupid wide on the final bend or just out of position getting blocked in, which costs them lengths, so that even though they're trying on the final run in they've lost too much distance.
But I accept the only riding have or ever want to do is the adult human female kind, so I can only comment so far as what I can see on tv is different to the jockey's perspective.
I wonder if you looked at reports by trainer, jockey and by trainer/jockey if any have a disproportionate amount short priced runners get turned over.
 
Steady on studmuffin ! Are you talking from long term memory ? Bless your wife on this the day of romance.

Must be the hair pal.
 
Desert Orchid said:
My starting point is that I tend only to do valuable races where they should all be trying.

You tend to get an idea over time about which races they are targeting -eg Flegmatik - and can pretty much ignore them until then.

If I do end up backing one I think should be trying but obviously isn't I just try to figure out what it is targeting. I accept I'll never get it right every time - nowhere near that in fact - but I accept it as part of the game and don't get too annoyed. Usually.
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And I do the opposite but if I lose then it's just a case of move on
 
All too easy to blame my own poor judgment on a horse not trying or being stopped. On occasion a horse I’ve backed has been beaten because of (in my opinion) a poor ride but I usually try and review a replay before reaching that conclusion
 
I bet in low stakes and infrequently which means that triumph and disaster aren't too much different to me or my mood and financial stability. I deal with non-triers on the basis that next time something will be strangled that will benefit me. Fools paradise I know, but it gets me through the night.
 
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