Occupy.

Colin Phillips

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It's probably all anti-American loony leftist conspiracy talk, it is from the Guardian site after all : Naomi Wolf, Guardian,Friday

US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park.

But just when Americans thought we had the picture – was this crazy police and mayoral overkill, on a municipal level, in many different cities? – the picture darkened. The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."

In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.

To Europeans, the enormity of this breach may not be obvious at first. Our system of government prohibits the creation of a federalised police force, and forbids federal or militarised involvement in municipal peacekeeping.

I noticed that rightwing pundits and politicians on the TV shows on which I was appearing were all on-message against OWS. Journalist Chris Hayes reported on a leaked memo that revealed lobbyists vying for an $850,000 contract to smear Occupy. Message coordination of this kind is impossible without a full-court press at the top. This was clearly not simply a case of a freaked-out mayors', city-by-city municipal overreaction against mess in the parks and cranky campers. As the puzzle pieces fit together, they began to show coordination against OWS at the highest national levels.

Why this massive mobilisation against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks – under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop – awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.

That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.

The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.

When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.

For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance. The DHS cannot say, on its own initiative, "we are going after these scruffy hippies". Rather, DHS is answerable up a chain of command: first, to New York Representative Peter King, head of the House homeland security subcommittee, who naturally is influenced by his fellow congressmen and women's wishes and interests. And the DHS answers directly, above King, to the president (who was conveniently in Australia at the time).

In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorise mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.

But wait: why on earth would Congress advise violent militarised reactions against its own peaceful constituents? The answer is straightforward: in recent years, members of Congress have started entering the system as members of the middle class (or upper middle class) – but they are leaving DC privy to vast personal wealth, as we see from the "scandal" of presidential contender Newt Gingrich's having been paid $1.8m for a few hours' "consulting" to special interests. The inflated fees to lawmakers who turn lobbyists are common knowledge, but the notion that congressmen and women are legislating their own companies' profitsis less widely known – and if the books were to be opened, they would surely reveal corruption on a Wall Street spectrum. Indeed, we do already know that congresspeople are massively profiting from trading on non-public information they have on companies about which they are legislating – a form of insider trading that sent Martha Stewart to jail.

Since Occupy is heavily surveilled and infiltrated, it is likely that the DHS and police informers are aware, before Occupy itself is, what its emerging agenda is going to look like. If legislating away lobbyists' privileges to earn boundless fees once they are close to the legislative process, reforming the banks so they can't suck money out of fake derivatives products, and, most critically, opening the books on a system that allowed members of Congress to profit personally – and immensely – from their own legislation, are two beats away from the grasp of an electorally organised Occupy movement … well, you will call out the troops on stopping that advance.

So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organised suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.

Sadly, Americans this week have come one step closer to being true brothers and sisters of the protesters in Tahrir Square. Like them, our own national leaders, who likely see their own personal wealth under threat from transparency and reform, are now making war upon us.
 
That helps me to understand the agenda, too, since it's not too broadly understood what it is other than 'banks are bad', 'property is theft' and other corny old chestnuts from the Left. But the people protesting aren't all 'loony leftists' (why leftists are always called loony, I don't know, other than a desire for alliteration). They are hugely what one might term midde class, although that's probably too generalised - the campers include uni-educated professionals alongside blue collar workers ruined by years of seeing their communities become the victim of hit-and-run investment policies which ultimately benefitted (in millions of dollars) conveniently absent corporative shareholders, you name it - artists, writers, bus drivers, just the Average Joe and Joette.

That the American establishment has reacted so savagely should come as no big surprise, given that all public office holders have to be elected to their positions annually, and that all elections take money. That the money comes from companies who want to drive through their commercial agendas and will finance the more compliant official surely also comes as no big surprise, either. In some ways, I've wondered why it's taken the sleeping masses so long to wake up to the innate corruptibility of their systems - political, financial, and the 'services' which support them, like the police and the military (these also being very much sponsored by deals, rather than purely by the state - think about the electoral system for police chiefs, and who gets what contracts for huge military projects. Funny how often it's usually the same old companies, huh? Raytheon, Dow - purveyor of fine chemical weapons to burn Vietnamese villagers and fleeing Iraqi troops to hell and gone).

The political-commercial-establishment triangle wants a stupefied, compliant populace. It doesn't like the idea that the, uh, land of the free gets just a little too free in its right to peaceful congregation and protest. Many of us on here remember exactly what the troopers did at Kent State uni when a handful of kids got uppity, so we know there's no problem in putting down the antis when it suits.

I'm surprised they've only used pepper spray, water cannon and batons so far - surely fingers brought up on the ethics of the NRA are itching to fire off a few live rounds, let alone bring up the tanks, drones, and just a teensy bit of napalm? After all, freedom of expression is fine when it's cute, funny, and harmless. But get the dog really scratchin' those fleas out, and you need to put it down.

The US is like a paranoid/schizoid - on the one hand, it drips with a deluded sentimentality about its past, including its rebellious Boston Tea Party; on the other, its nervous, corrupted establishment is willing to use its colluding agencies of force on its own people in a way it's only previously reserved for its foreign interventions.
 
he Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 required candidates to disclose sources of campaign contributions and campaign expenditure. It was amended in 1974 to legally limit campaign contributions. It banned direct contributing to campaigns by corporations and trade unions and limited individual donations to $1,000 per campaign.
 
But we all know that the multi-millions to fund a gubernatorial or presidential campaign aren't likely to come from kids selling cookies, Clivex! It would be great to see a real audit of campaign contributions over the years - yeah, I'm sure Bill Gates only stumped up a grand, for example... not to mention all the 'special interest' lobbyists such as the NRA, Zionist interests, et cetera.
 
Sorry but thats rubbish. If someone went beyond the direct campaign rules then it would be all over the press (watergate?) and the opposition would seize upon it. you cannot suppose otherwise without any proof

As for drawing conclusions that the eviction of a few people from a park is down to the military machine..well whatever

and the military manufacturers? Its pretty obvious that military hardware at the top end is a market where there are not exactly going to be suppliers on every street corner isnt it?
 
I'm surprised they've only used pepper spray, water cannon and batons so far - surely fingers brought up on the ethics of the NRA are itching to fire off a few live rounds, let alone bring up the tanks, drones, and just a teensy bit of napalm? After all, freedom of expression is fine when it's cute, funny, and harmless. But get the dog really scratchin' those fleas out, and you need to put it down.

Cant believe this... do you know america at all?

You think Obama is going to Napalm bank protestors?
 
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Uh, well now, lemme see 'bout that, darlin'. Having worked alongside a variety of Americans for 21 years, and visited it on both business and for fun, and still being good friends with several, no, I don't know America at 'all', but I do know a weeny bit of it, Clivex. Obama won't use napalm, because it's likely to do damage to property, but maybe, if you know America's history on the right to express one's disgust publicly, you can remind us all on here of what George Patton, all gung-ho and keen to show his mettle, did to the World War I protestors (look up 'Hooverville' if you're really stumped on this one, Clive). A little incident in killing one's own with guns and tanks which isn't the most glorious moment experienced in the land of the not-as-free-as-you-may-think.
 
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"Say, Hank, it's gonna li'l quiet out there. D'ya think that Clive guy's okay?"

"I sure as hell dunno, Buddy, but he sure is spendin' some time lookin' up how t' get a sharp response in. You reckon he's outta bullets?"

"Didja say outta bullsheet? Nah, Hank, I reckon he's got plenty a' that. But I sure hope he's listenin' to good ole Jimmy Carter, talking to that Briddish guy John Snow, 'cos Ole Jimmy jus' confirmed that darn-fool Congressional rulin' about thar bein' no maximum to how much a corporation can donate to them guys runnin' fer office."

"No max from someone like Fluor, ya mean, Buddy? Or Raytheon, or Dow, or Halliburton, or any of them thar Big Oil companies, or any of the banks, or investment houses, or... "

"Yeah. Thassright, Hank. Give them 'lectioneers 'smuch as they like. Ten thousand. Twenny thou. Five hundred thou. Course, it ain't like they want nuttin' in return... "

"Still mighty quiet out thar. Ya doan think Clivey got caught by them coyotes?"

(Right now, Clivey. Jimbo Carter and John Snow. On More4. Watch and learn, babe, watch and learn.)
 
Uh, well now, lemme see 'bout that, darlin'. Having worked alongside a variety of Americans for 21 years, and visited it on both business and for fun, and still being good friends with several, no, I don't know America at 'all', but I do know a weeny bit of it, Clivex. Obama won't use napalm, because it's likely to do damage to property, but maybe, if you know America's history on the right to express one's disgust publicly, you can remind us all on here of what George Patton, all gung-ho and keen to show his mettle, did to the World War I protestors (look up 'Hooverville' if you're really stumped on this one, Clive). A little incident in killing one's own with guns and tanks which isn't the most glorious moment experienced in the land of the not-as-free-as-you-may-think.

I thought MacArthur was in charge then? Or do you have a different occasion in mind, I'm thinking of the 1932 Bonus March.
An even earlier example of America's willingness to use force against it's own citizens would be the Ludlow Massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
Not that our contemporary authorities were any better, of course.
 
I think Krizon, claims that obama would execute or napalm protestors are just too stupid to answer

In election year too...

Frankly bring ing up events of 100 years ago as justification is like claiming that Angela Merkel is going to open up concentration camps to deal with the debt crisis

You should leave that sort of stuff for the extreme left (mentally ill rather than loony to be fair) and their bigotry
 
A hundred years ago? And you call yourself an accountant?

Clive, you are one goshdurned poor loser. The argument here (as per the topic) is the use of force by the US establishment against its own people, and I am making the point that it is, via Kent State and the Bonus Wars, very far from a new phenomenon and certainly not something that the US militia is squeamish about employing. Sorry you got caught out on that, but dem's de breaks when you get all sarky about what do I know 'at all' about American history. You lost that one - try harder in future.
 
So you have won the argument and convinced the posters that Obama will execute protestors in central park with use of napalm a possibility?

Ok

Whatever
 
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Get over the napalm, apart from the US use of it very freely, along with the highly carcinogenic Agent Orange defoliant, on funny little furriners, Clivex. I don't think Obama will use a 'teensy bit of napalm' any more than I think he'll use drones against his own people - the line was intended to rather ironically express surprise that the American populace is spared what other populations are very much NOT. For someone of your bright and sharp intellect, I thought you'd twigged that, but clearly the irony and the hypocrisy was lost on you. I'll try to make things far more literal for you, and you alone, in future, so there can be no misunderstanding of the delivery of my intent.

You think Wiki is the source of everything? :ninja:
 
From the Guardian site:

Police have angered Occupy London activists after listing the movement among terrorist groups in an advisory notice sent to the business community in the City.

The document issued by City of London police, headed "Terrorism/extremism update for the City of London business community", included a detailed account of recent and upcoming Occupy London activities and was sent to "trusted partners" in the area.

The document, dated 2 December, which was passed on to Occupy London's Finsbury square encampment over the weekend by a local business owner, gave an update on foreign terrorist activities including that of Farc in Columbia, al-Qaida in Pakistan and the outcome of a trial into the Minsk bombing in Belarus.

Below that, a section headed "Domestic" was dedicated wholly to the activities of the Occupy encampments and singled out anti-capitalists as a cause for concern.

"As the worldwide Occupy movement shows no sign of abating, it is likely that activists aspire to identify other locations to occupy, especially those they identify with capitalism."

The document stated that police had "received a number of hostile reconnaissance reports concerning individuals who would fit the anti-capitalist profile", and asked businesses to be vigilant for further sign of occupation activity.

It also said that the number of protesters present at the camp remained "fairly consistent" but that demonstrations originating from the camp had "decreased and lacked the support and momentum of earlier actions".

The City of London police have as yet been unwilling to reveal how many businesses were included on the mailing but their list is thought to include large multinationals and banks.

A City of London police source admitted that the "title of the document was not helpful" and denied that it labelled or intended to label the Occupy movement as equivalent to al-Qaida.

An activist from the camp called the document "vulgar" and said Occupy London had met Church of England representatives many times in the past and were meeting the Financial Services Authority, which regulates banking activity in the UK, on Monday.

A statement from the Occupy London camp said: "The reference to 'suspected activists' seems to demonstrate a disturbing loss of perspective.

"Activism is not a crime and the desire to participate in democratic decision-making should not be a cause for concern for the police in any free society.

"An institution that confuses active citizens with criminals and equates al-Qaida with efforts to re-imagine the City is an institution in grave danger of losing its way."

Asked about the document, the City of London police said their community policing methods had been praised.

A spokesman added: "City of London police works with the community to deter and detect terrorist activity and crime in the City in a way that has been identified nationally as good practice.

"We've seen crime linked to protests in recent weeks, notably around groups entering office buildings, and with that in mind we continue to brief key trusted partners on activity linked to protests."
 
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