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That's the point isn't it. Neither Many Clouds nor Neptune Collonges needed the handicappers help to go close, and who is to say they wouldn't have won anyway. I can't say for certain and nor can anyone else.

The basic point was that the handicapper has helped them though and the connections who finished second have every right to feel cheated.

Sunnyhillboy and Saint Are will be forgotten as time passes but the winners won't.

I'll also add that plenty of horses carrying 11st placed in the National before Smith decided to interfere, so it's not as if horses who can see the trip out haven't been competitive despite their weight. We did have a period where horses carrying more than 11st didn't win and this was what he attempted to mistakenly correct.

Now he is handling a stout classy a stayer an unfair advantage.

And given the counter points to this why isn't he applying the same approach to the Scottish National? Aren't the horses at the top of the handicap at the same unfair disadvantage he perceives?

<blockquote data-quote="Maruco" data-source="post: 2520068" data-attributes="member: 65063">That&#039;s the point isn&#039;t it. Neither Many Clouds nor Neptune Collonges needed the handicappers help to go close, and who is to say they wouldn&#039;t have won anyway. I can&#039;t say for certain and nor can anyone else.The basic point was that the handicapper has helped them though and the connections who finished second have every right to feel cheated.Sunnyhillboy and Saint Are will be forgotten as time passes but the winners won&#039;t. I&#039;ll also add that plenty of horses carrying 11st placed in the National before Smith decided to interfere, so it&#039;s not as if horses who can see the trip out haven&#039;t been competitive despite their weight. We did have a period where horses carrying more than 11st didn&#039;t win and this was what he attempted to mistakenly correct.Now he is handling a stout classy a stayer an unfair advantage.And given the counter points to this why isn&#039;t he applying the same approach to the Scottish National? Aren&#039;t the horses at the top of the handicap at the same unfair disadvantage he perceives?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maruco, post: 2520068, member: 65063"] That's the point isn't it. Neither Many Clouds nor Neptune Collonges needed the handicappers help to go close, and who is to say they wouldn't have won anyway. I can't say for certain and nor can anyone else. The basic point was that the handicapper has helped them though and the connections who finished second have every right to feel cheated. Sunnyhillboy and Saint Are will be forgotten as time passes but the winners won't. I'll also add that plenty of horses carrying 11st placed in the National before Smith decided to interfere, so it's not as if horses who can see the trip out haven't been competitive despite their weight. We did have a period where horses carrying more than 11st didn't win and this was what he attempted to mistakenly correct. Now he is handling a stout classy a stayer an unfair advantage. And given the counter points to this why isn't he applying the same approach to the Scottish National? Aren't the horses at the top of the handicap at the same unfair disadvantage he perceives? [/QUOTE]

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