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Erm - what crap . On the form line through Gregorian he has an enormous amount to find with Toronado and Dawn Approach .

If they are back to their best he needs to find a great deal more .
 
Ardross said:
Erm - what crap . On the form line through Gregorian he has an enormous amount to find with Toronado and Dawn Approach .

If they are back to their best he needs to find a great deal more .
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Toronado tricky horse, with problems, sussex form overrated

Dawn Approach too hard season

Weight for age helps SFR as the season goes through.

Soft falling rain top rated for me and will be fresher.
 
He needs to find 20lb plus from the Hungerford to beat Toronado - the Sussex form is as solid as G1 form gets. I don't think Montiridge was at his best today and Premier Loco is only really listed class nowadays .

IF you back SFR you have to bank on Dawn Approach and Toronado running well below their best form .

SFR is an impressive and improving animal and deserves to take his chance but he has to improve substantially to win .
 
Hungerford form is 100% irrelevant. It was his first race on totally unsuitable ground.

That is as good as Montiridge is.

Dawn Approach's season has been up and down like a whore's draws. Completely worth taking on nowadays.
 
Euronymous said:
Hungerford form is 100% irrelevant. It was his first race on totally unsuitable ground.

That is as good as Montiridge is.

Dawn Approach's season has been up and down like a whore's draws. Completely worth taking on nowadays.
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Crap

1 Are you expecting firm ground on Champions Day ?

2 Montiridge did not pick up anything like as well as at Goodwood

3 Dawn Approach was sick at Deauville and Toronado choked at York - if they are fit and well he won't be within three lengths
 
1. Necessarily but then again I won't back unless the ground is ok anyway.

2. Montiridge beat the 107 rated Snowboarder 3 and a half lengths at Goodwood and was one and a half in front of the 111 rated Premio Loco at Newmarket. That suggests the horse has run to a ballpark rating in both races. Visually it didn't seem like he picked up as much simply because there was a horse in front of him in the Joel.

3. Both Tornado and DA have been at it all summer long and both have been up and down like a whore's draws. I'm happy to take them on at a short price.
 
My initial thoughts are that Soft Falling Rain is right up there with dawn Approach and Toronado at their very best, on lines with everything in the race bar Penitent.

I had Montiridge as a possible 120 horse on earlier form and backed him like a good thing the other day as I felt SFR, a mid-high teens on Dubai form, was taking far too big a chunk out of the market. I reckon Montiridge did everything I expected him to do in the race but just happened to find one laughing at him.

Maybe the sectionals will tell a different story but sunybay is right. Given the way the season has gone for the other 'big two', SFR has the race at his mercy.
 
Here you go DO, though there was no great pace on:

  1. 5 Soft Falling Rain 5 14.36 11.19 11.22 11.47 11.49 11.96 12.16 13.35
    7 Montiridge 4 14.64 11.12 11.24 11.57 11.43 11.95 12.06 13.79
    4 Premio Loco 3 14.41 11.25 11.43 11.68 11.61 12.10 12.17 13.99
    3 Penitent 2 14.54 11.17 11.26 11.51 11.51 12.01 12.37 14.52
    1 Boom And Bust 1 14.48 11.16 11.20 11.48 11.58 12.23 12.69 14.19
    6 Glory Awaits 7 14.06 11.19 11.22 11.53 11.66 12.21 12.69 14.52
    2 Guest Of Honour 6 14.58 11.11 11.25 11.39 11.52 12.37 12.96 15.08

Montiridge ran to his best, btw (RPR thinks so, too), though how anyone can view SFR's previous run as anything more than a prep race escapes me completely. :)
 
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If Toronado is back to his best - SFR won't see which way he goes .

It may well have been a prep race in the Hungerford but he still has to find a stone and a half - he may well have found 10lb but he needs a lot more .
 
Ardross said:
He needs to find 20lb plus from the Hungerford to beat Toronado - the Sussex form is as solid as G1 form gets. I don't think Montiridge was at his best today and Premier Loco is only really listed class nowadays .

IF you back SFR you have to bank on Dawn Approach and Toronado running well below their best form .

SFR is an impressive and improving animal and deserves to take his chance but he has to improve substantially to win .
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Why the sarcasm from some here? Above is spot on.
 
reet hard said:
Has it occurred to you that Saturday's run was also a prep race?
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de Kock did not suggest that Friday's Joel Stakes win was a prep race in that sense . It may well be that like any trainer he will aim to have the horse at his best for a G1 target but that is not the point that I understood you to be making .

Soft Falling Rain may well improve out of all recognition but those of you expressing such confidence that he will beat Dawn Approach and Toronado do seem to me to be ignoring how much he has to find in the hope that they are both bound to run below their best .
 
Both Toronado (130) and Dawn Approach (129) ram their best ever RPR's in the Sussex - both's 4th race of the season, and at least their third gp1.
Soft Falling Rain ran to 125 on Friday - his 2nd race of the season, and yet to contest a major prize in this country.
If it's wrong to suggest that talk of the latter having "2 stone" or "20 lb" to find is wildly out, then put me down as sarcastic.
 
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