Rottweilers

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harry

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What is the point of these things.
And Pitbulls etc.
Just kill every one of them I say.
Just don't need them at all and each tragedy like yesterday proves it.
One big mass round up and cull.
 
Some dog owners are the ones that need to be considered for culling. I think bringing back dog licences should be considered. Some humans are not fit to own a dog, any breed of dog.
 
There's a reason a "pitbull" has it's name, it's not a reference to it being cute and cuddly. There is a place for dogs of a particular type but it's certainly not in the family home.

There should also be strict licenses for owning any kind of animal.
 
Why does this old chestnut rear its head every time there is a fatality?

Pitbulls and Rottweilers can be lovely dogs - I've known plenty of both breeds that would only be in danger of licking a child to death.

It's the owners that are dangerous, not the dogs, and there is no reason whatsoever to ban ownership of them, much less absurd, ridiculous and ill-thought out comments about "kill[ing] every one of them". That's like saying cars (or trains, or airplanes with their respective accidents) are all dangerous, scrap the lot of them as some people will drive dangerously and kill others. It's completely nonsensical.

As Goober says, it's an intelligence problem. What people should really be asking is if the dog has been trained to be vicious (you only need to take a quick look at the family to answer that question) why was the one year old baby around the dog, protected only by the arms of its SEVEN YEAR OLD aunt? Hells bells, why was a baby left alone with ANY dog, only in the company of a six year old, seven year old and sixteen year old?!

Christ alive, the mother is only 17 (sorry, turned 18 two days after the attack), only a kid herself.

I do wish people would stop blaming animals for humans' stupidity.
 
I'm sure they do, AC. In which case a bit of common sense and a tiny amount of utilisation of braincells should surely be employed.

They wouldn't let their kids run down the fast lane of the M25, would they? So why leave them more or less unattended with a dog, much less one that in all likelihood has been trained to be a thug?
 
Rubbish, Walsworth.

Over the years I have come across many, many rotties who are gentle as little lambs. Conversely, I have come across ONE only who was vicious.

The fact is that they are big, strong dogs and too many idiots and wannabe gangsters or hardmen buy them and train them with the sole intent of making them vicious thugs so that the true thugs (the owners) can look "'ard". If anyone is to be hit it should be these idiots, not the animals themselves.

I have to correct my earlier post, the 16 year old appears to have been in the house at the time of the incident. So a baby was left with a 7 year old in the company of a dog? What planet do these people live on?
 
Erm think you're wrong for once SL :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Your "little lamb" Rotties are quite capable of ripping someones face off and these monsters should all be killed immediately.
The brass neck of you to say "every time a fatality happens this thread appears"
Enough said shrug::
 
Originally posted by harry@Dec 31 2007, 12:46 AM
Erm think you're wrong for once SL :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Your "little lamb" Rotties are quite capable of ripping someones face off and these monsters should all be killed immediately.
The brass neck of you to say "every time a fatality happens this thread appears"
Enough said shrug::
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But as SL said, a car is capable of killing someone, but only in the hands of its owner.

Dog (or rather dog-owner) licences should be re-introduced, and said owners should be made to take a test in order to own one.

The fact that the life of a 1 yr old was left in the hands of another child is tantamount to negligence and should be treated as such by the police.
 
I think at the end of the day, people forget that like all horses can kick, ALL dogs bite. It doesn't matter what breed or sex the animal is, it can and will bite.

Several years back I worked in an animal shelter, and saw the run of the mill of all dog breeds, from the mixes to the purebreds. I also saw a lot of people who were also not capable of owning an animal. But unfortunately as owning a pet is not restricted or controlled in Australia as with Britain, were able to choose whatever animal they thought and saw was cute in the cage.

The sad reality is people actually do not research the specifics of the breed(s) they are purchasing. As such they do not realise what was once the cute puppy in the pet store or at the breeders' kennels will grow. If not properly trained from day one and be taught to be the lowest member of the pack (as is the case with dogs, as they are a "pack"), could potentially be harmful and a danger to those around it.

When I was working at the shelter, we campaigned to the government for it to be compulsory by law that all dogs and cats be desexed from 6 months on (unless the owner is a licensed breeder), for all people to be licensed by law to own an animal (we saw it as a privilege to own an animal) and for people to not be in the possession of a cat or dog if they had a criminal history.

I know there were several shelters in other districts that went as far as matching people with an animal based on a questionnaire.
 
If you read the story, the rottweiller was evidently chained up in the back yard and was purchased as these people had been burgled a few times. To me that gives the impression this dog was clearly vicious - either trained to be - or just known to be. You are hardly going to deter burglars by tying up a poodle in the yard are you? shrug:: Leaving this baby in the arms of a 7 year old who was going through the garden when the baby was snatched from her arms may give a clue as to why the dog pounced. The dog may not have known it was a baby - may have thought it was a toy. The dog may have been so frustrated from being tied up - it may have just been hungry. It is desperately sad that this baby lost it's life but questions need to be asked of the conditions and temperament of this Rottweiller who has also paid with it's life.

Something needs to be learnt from this tragic incident but I doubt it will be unless dog owners are forced to be more responsible especially when their dogs are around young children and babies.
 
A woman has been taken to hospital with arm injuries after being attacked by two rottweillers who broke into her garden.
 
Harry, I didn't say that rotties weren't capable of savaging someone - hells bells, ALL dogs are capable of savaging someone (and yes, I've seen spaniels give humans nasty bites as well) and people should always be well aware of that fact.

Rottweilers are big strong dogs which is why they are favoured by thugs who want to train them to be vicious. That said, I love the breed and will probably have one of my own one day, along with german shepherds, another breed I love. They don't all have to be vicious brutes, it is nearly always solely the owner's fault for them being that way in the first place.

Your comments on killing all rottweilers are ill-thought out, ill-informed, knee-jerk, ridiculous and in the realms of fantasy, harry.
 
These dogs should not be kept as pets, there is the risk with all animals that they can turn nasty (My fiancee was bitten by my hamster 2 weeks ago).

If you keep an animal that has the strength to kill then you always have a risk. People should keep smaller, more traditionally docile animals.
 
You cannot seriously be comparing a hamster to a rottweiler!!!!!!!! :laughing:

There is no reason rottweilers should not be kept as pets. If owned by responsible people who know what they are doing, how to treat them and how to train them they make lovely companions pets. Why should people be dictated to as to which dogs they may or may not keep as pets (viz-a-viz "People should keep smaller, more traditionally docile animals", another ill-informed, ill-thought out comment) ?

As I said before, cars have the potential to be infinitely more dangerous than a dog and kill more people; statistics would back this up to the hilt (how many people die in car crashes opposed to eaten by dogs?) so should all cars be banned also?

All it takes is a bit of common sense.
 
There are several points to be made here.

Firstly, the family had for whatever reason acquired this dog and rather than training and socialising it, had chained it up in the back yard, presumably encouraging it to be aggressive for security purposes. Then the grown-ups [if we may so loosley describe them] went out, leaving a 16 year old girl in charge.

She, preoccupied no doubt with the usual things 16 year old girls do, didn't notice her 7yr old sister carry the toddler out to the yard and approach the Rottie and offer him to the dog 'to meet each other'. The dog presumably thought it was being offered a meal. I hope the parents are prosecuted, not I suppose that that will help their daughters deal with their trauma, which must be massive. Imagine those two kinds having to live with that.

Secondly, Rotties are a known aggressive breed in most circumstances, but there are indeed extremely gentle strains as well as quite vicious strains. Having been bred for centuries as guard and attack dogs, it's not surprising that the aggressive genes can surface in these dogs - often with no warning at all. In addition they have a particular type of jaw which - like a bulldog's or a 'pit bull's' - will 'lock' which is to say clamp, and it's almost impossible to cause them to unclamp in the way you can with other dogs' eg by a blow or kick to the jaw joint on the side of the head. This does make them very dangerous as it makes it almost impossible to deal with any attacks.

It's very foolish to think these dogs are reliable even if they come from a gentle 'strain'. They have a history of 'turning' which means it's almost impossible to trust them completley, eg with other animals or children. I'm pretty terrified of them if I don't know them, even though I've known several 'softies' well and even dogsat for one of them! My own dog was once viciously attacked by one and I only got her free by getting it off with a pitchfork. One I knew well and had always considered really friendly, went for me when I bent down to speak to her master who was driving 'their' car. I would never have one.

Even if they can respond to firm handling and early training, who would want the risk? - given even the 'softies' have been known to turn, you'd need to be always in control - I want a dog I can leave with someone else if I'm out of the country, or ask someone to walk for me if I'm ill.

The breeding and keeping of Rotties should imo be controlled, ie licensed. And I think that any strain of Rotties from which any of the progeny has attacked a human, esp a child in this manner, should be put down - all of the family strain. Sorry but it's the only way to eradicate the rogue genes. Ideally, they would be a forbidden breed imo. There is a reason why it's always the same two or three breeds which give rise to these stories.

Sadly, too often the kind of people who want to own Rotties and pit bulls other dogs with that kind of reputation fo0r aggression are exactly the sort who will not train and socialise them in the right way. And while that is so, there will always be a problem.

Btw: Pit bulls *should* already be extinct in this country as they were all supposed to be neutered/castrated when the act was passed, and that was years ago. The police are, as in the matter of dog-theft, not taking this seriously. There are unmuzzled and un-neutered fighting dogs wandering round council estates, living with travellers, etc etc, all over the country, but the police are too busy harrassing the motorist to care.
 
Originally posted by Shadow Leader@Dec 31 2007, 07:19 PM

Rottweilers are big strong dogs which is why they are favoured by thugs who want to train them to be vicious.
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SL, I'm afraid you've got this the wrong way round. Rotties don't have to be 'trained to be vicious', aggression is in their breeding. They have to be trained to be unagressive. That's why they are a dangerous breed - most people don't have the skills and the know how, nor the 'personal authority', to do it.
 
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