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Not really sure where to put this but just thought I would put up Hills betting on the X-Factor winners future:

No 1 singles in 2006: 11/4 none; 1/4 one, 7/1 two, 14/1 three, 40 four, 66/1 five and 100/1 six.

Think there is a bit of value in there to be at two and three number ones. He is virtually guaranteed the Christmas number 1 at Christmas and that number one could well last a couple of weeks if not more. So say that could be the first number 1 he has of 2006.

I think alot of these prices are based on the lack of success of last years winner but I think Ward is a completely different kettle of fish. Not only he is younger, better singer and more appeal to the young females than Steve (the previous winner) but he also gets on well with Cowell who will be keen to have a big sucess this year to give the show a bit of credability ahead of next year's version. Throw in the fact these shows have thrown up relatively long term stars....Will Young here and Kelly Clakson around the world. Plus in fairness to the guy he does have a cracking voice. 7/1 and 14/1 might be a bit of a fun bet to start of the year?
 
You've missed his biggest advantage - he will be managed by Louis Walsh. Whatever people might think of Louis, he knows how to manage and promote - Johnny Logan, Boyzone, Ronan keating, Westlife, Samatha Mumba, Girls Aloud. Last year's runners-up G4 are managed by Louis Walsh and have a good career going - their first album went platinum. Who knows, maybe even Steve Brookstein would have done better if Louis Walsh hadn't said that he wanted nothing to do with him.

Brookstein, last year's X-Factor winner sings in a winebar near me (a wine bar that's managed by his wife) and has exchanged his old Volvo for a new mini.
 
Colin I would never have had you down as a Westlife groupie - people never cease to surprise .
 
I think Walsh is a charlatan. Got lucky with Boyzone (take that folding when they did was the biggest blessing) and they simply passed the mantle onto westlife. I dont think they are even trying anymore to give them decent new songs (probably saved for new artists in the stable) just lukewarm covers to keep the kids happy.

Johnny Logan, Samantha Mumba...(mumba, an even bigger charlatan than LW, a couple of songs 5 years ago and still a celebrity on the back of it)

I think Cowell had more influence on Westlife - got rid of a couple of the cultchies from Sligo and replaced them with 'good looking' dubs for the laydees. Forced them to sing Mandy etc. Of course, Walsh probably appreciates Cowell's nous and allowed him the input.

Have Cowell's Il Divo outsold the Walsh trained G4? They have a higher profile at the moment, not bad considering the X-Factor factor factoring in G4 favour.

If I owned a promising young group, I know which trainer I would send them to.
 
Agree with Garney. Girls Aloud, for example, should be as big as the Spice Girls. I'm not a fan, but it's hard to find any fault with them as a commercial pop act - so why aren't they household names like Geri and her friends?
 
Because they haven`t got catchy monicker`s and their songs aren`t quite as good. As tackle though, there is no comparison.
 
I have to say this years X-Factor has been a complete step up from any of the other years with the odd exception of the likes of Chico etc. But the three finalists on Saturday night were top class in my book and the likes of Maria and Brenda (who were booted out earlier in the series) were others with masses of talent. Not surprise me if a good few did well out of this show unlike previous years.
 
Originally posted by Garney@Dec 20 2005, 09:21 AM
If I owned a promising young group, I know which trainer I would send them to.
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Simon Cowell is an A&R man, not a manager. He has never been a manager and has no desire to be a manager. He made it plain that he didn't want to manage even his protégé Steve Brookstein and was a bit miffed that Louis Walsh wouldn't take him on.

So sending your young group to Simon Cowell would be akin to sending your horse with Champion Hurdle potential to Peter Savill.

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The title is short for ''artists & repertoire,'' and the A&R man or woman is the lifeblood of any music company: a scout in the wilderness of smoky, dingy bars, trying till all hours to find the Next Big Thing, sidle up to it, and persuade it to sign a contract on the best possible terms (for the record company).
 
OK so he was still number one this week so that counts as his first number one in 2006? Now he just needs another for a 7/1 pay out for anyone who backed him to get two etc
 
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