Spain Is Brilliant

Bar the Bull

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Spain tops destination list for EU migrants
in today's FT.

Spain’s transformation from an impoverished southern European backwater into one of Europe’s most vibrant economies is confirmed by an opinion poll published on Monday that shows it is the most popular destination for Europeans thinking of working abroad.

The FT/Harris poll portrays Spain as a country at ease with itself: its citizens are relaxed about immigration and are the most optimistic citizens of any major European country that their lives are getting better.

The poll on attitudes to migration also confirms the gloom hanging over France, with 73 per cent of its people convinced life in their country is getting worse.

In spite of this Gallic grief, the survey suggests the French would rather wait at home for the mood to pass. Only 23 per cent of citizens would consider working in another European country, by the far the lowest.

The poll of 6,561 adults in the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the US offers an insight into the factors pushing and pulling migration in Europe, and the extent to which it is seen as a political problem.

The survey found that while the UK is second only to Spain as a preferred work destination, British citizens have become more hostile than anyone else in western Europe to immigration from the EU. Almost half – 47 per cent – of Britons said immigration was having a “negative impact” on their economy.

Britain was one of three western European countries fully to open its doors to migrant workers from eight new EU members in 2004, a policy business leaders claim boosted the economy and filled skills shortages.

But negative media coverage of the issue has helped create a climate where two-thirds of ÙK citizens say there are “too many foreigners” in the country, the highest ratio of any major European nation.

Perhaps the most striking finding is the extent to which Spain has emerged as an inwardly confident and outwardly attractive country, 21 years after joining the EU as one of its poorest member states.

It found 17 per cent of those polled put Spain as the country in which they would most like to work, ahead of Britain on 15 per cent and France on 11 per cent. French and Italian citizens were the most likely to want to emigrate there. Spain had the lowest number of people who considered life was getting worse (50 per cent) and its citizens were by far the most positive about the economic benefits of immigration.

A total of 42 per cent of Spaniards believed immigration was good for the economy, compared with 19 per cent in Britain and France. However, a large majority of Spanish respondents (71 per cent) still wanted tighter border controls, a reflection of illegal immigration from Africa.

Last Friday Joaquín Almunia, the EU monetary affairs commissioner, upgraded his growth forecasts for Spain in 2007 from 3.4 per cent to 3.7 per cent, making it one of the bloc’s most dynamic economies.
 
I fear this is not very true.

The inmagration is a massive problem here, the economy is not as healthy as this numbers show, the political problems are much bigger than in the rest of countries in Europe.
 
Originally posted by Bar the Bull@Feb 19 2007, 11:53 AM
I may be naive, but if the political problems are so great, why don't you just give the Basques and Catalonia independence?
pathetic

you can not type more stupid things with so many words.
 
Bar

Nationalism is just a business
It is not possible to allow them to be indepent,
in fact most of them dont wnat it, what they want is to be citizen of first class, to have some priviligist the rest of the country dont have and to have a feeling of superiority.


The political problems here are not only about the secesionist,
it is a goverment allied with them who enter in the goverment thanks to an attack terrorist with 200 people killed , doing a politic in foreign affairs that ahs to be seen to believed, with a level of permissivism to the delincuents , with an inmigrant politic that is attracting even people to come from India.


In the economic affairs,
main source of richness has been the building industry, tourism is going down,no economical reforms done, pension will not be paid in less than 20 years and the level of corruption should be in the top 3 of Europe.
There have been some movements in the stocks that has to seen to be believed.



Finally
the ice of the cake
the goverment negotiations with ETA.


As you can see not a paradise :D
 
Originally posted by sunybay@Feb 19 2007, 12:33 PM



In the economic affairs,
main source of richness has been the building industry, tourism is going down,no economical reforms done, pension will not be paid in less than 20 years and the level of corruption should be in the top 3 of Europe.
There have been some movements in the stocks that has to seen to be believed.


You sure you not getting confused with Ireland?
 
But suny, isn't Spain in general, financed by the success of industrialisation in the annexed provinces such as Catalonia and the Basque country?
 
Originally posted by Bar the Bull@Feb 19 2007, 10:37 AM
The FT/Harris poll portrays Spain as a country at ease with itself: its citizens are relaxed about immigration and are the most optimistic citizens of any major European country that their lives are getting better.

All except one...
 
Something tells me Dave won`t be feeling "brilliant" about Spain after the gubbing Barca are gonna give his sorry lot.
 
I watched Barca last night and a pub team could have beaten them. Messi the only bright light in a thoroughly abject performance. And they have been like that for a few weeks now. Liverpool should be relishing playing them in current form.
 
If we can't turn them over in their current form over two legs, we never will.

I'm not taking any golf clubs to Spain until June.... :P
 
Originally posted by an capall@Feb 19 2007, 05:31 PM
But suny, isn't Spain in general, financed by the success of industrialisation in the annexed provinces such as Catalonia and the Basque country?
Catalonia and the Basque Country are not annexed provinces

They have always belong to Spain
by the way
there are places going much better than them like Madrid,Murcia or Valencia.
 
Suny, if the forces of occupation were to leave Catalonia and Basque, don't you agree that, like Ireland, there would be a post imperial economic boom?
 
Originally posted by Euronymous@Feb 19 2007, 06:56 PM
Something tells me Dave won`t be feeling "brilliant" about Spain after the gubbing Barca are gonna give his sorry lot.
I'd recommend the place to anyone. The natives are extremely friendly and seem to go out of there way for you at the football grounds. Just like to point out two things about my "sorry lot".

1. Played at the Nou Camp four times. Two wins, two draws. Anyone else around these parts match that? No, I didn't think so.

2 Deco's goal was the first Barca have scored against Liverpool there.

We now own the place.

Golf anyone?

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Dave - my two sons were there with you, and sounded relaxed as newts when they called in the early hours of thursday morning. When they went to Istanbul they were MIA for days - so if you see two little Colin Farrell lookalikes will you steer them to the airport.
 
Originally posted by an capall@Feb 23 2007, 05:28 PM
Dave - my two sons were there with you, and sounded relaxed as newts when they called in the early hours of thursday morning. When they went to Istanbul they were MIA for days - so if you see two little Colin Farrell lookalikes will you steer them to the airport.
An, hope they arrived back safely by now but believe me, I was in no state to steer cattle!
 
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