Spanish Civil War

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I have been following the work of Judge Baltasar Garzón, who is trying to provide closure on the Civil War in Spain by making a list of the war dead and tracing the graves.

Having just come through the peace process in Ireland and the emotive issue of 'the missing' I wonder does it make sense this long after the event to go through this process. What would be gained by prosecuting 90 year old me for atrocites committed 60 years ago.

Anybody got a view on this?
 
Very difficult but there has to always be a stage when a country or community moves on and stops living off or wallowing in past grievances. Ultimately that is (as in life) healthier
 
an capall said:
I have been following the work of Judge Baltasar Garzón, who is trying to provide closure on the Civil War in Spain by making a list of the war dead and tracing the graves.

Having just come through the peace process in Ireland and the emotive issue of 'the missing' I wonder does it make sense this long after the event to go through this process. What would be gained by prosecuting 90 year old me for atrocites committed 60 years ago.

Anybody got a view on this?
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Should have been done long ago but Spain's democracy was seen as too fragile and it was part of the deal for democracy that there would be no pursuit of Franco's murderous cronies .

I don't think that there is any reason why , especially those still living, should not have the opportunity of finding their loved ones but prosecuting very old men for doing a long dead dictator's dirty work is more questionable.
 
I lean towards your argument, Ardross. However, it is unusual for suny to hold so trenchant a view on matters political, so I am going to hear his case before concluding.

suny, why is Senor Garzon a 'cancer?' when say, Desmond Tutu is a good man. (Or is he??)
 
an capall said:
Having just come through the peace process in Ireland and the emotive issue of 'the missing' I wonder does it make sense this long after the event to go through this process. What would be gained by prosecuting 90 year old me for atrocites committed 60 years ago.
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Surely that would inevitably descend into sectarian wrangling and provide yet another obstacle in the way of more meaningful, practical progress (not that something like this wouldn't be meaningful for the families of those killed during the troubles).

Would do more harm than good at this point in time IMO.
 
point by point

In Spain there not not an idilic situation in 36 when Franco started the war, there was a situation with far left wing in power , having not accpeted the results of the CEDA in 34 and with talks with Stalin by people like Indalecio Prieto or Largo Caballero to implant a regime in the way Caceuscu did in Rumania.


After the civil war Franco ruled the country for 40 years, and it was a Francos decision to put democracy in the country and it was HIMSELF who choosed and put Juan Carlos as the king of Spain,

there was something here called LA TRANSICION ,the transition , it was an agreement to allow assesins and robbers of people like Carrillo (Comunist party leader) to come back to Spain and not to be judged by things like what happened in Paracuellos and it was decided that we all should look ahead and continue life.


And what we have is that Zapatero (worst president in Spain for more than 300 years) is using this affair to hide the situation of all his politics, with the regionalist , his deals with ETA and the collapse of the economy, and is the way to divide the country and stay in power.




About Baltazar Garzon
muppet, worst judge of instruction you can imagine, he likes himself even more than Nick Lucks in RUK , he is so arrogant and want to be in every TV and radio in every moment that he doesnt know what more to do, he was instructing the GAL case and is so ruin that he accepted to be included in a list with the socialist to become minister with the great Felipe Gonzalez, of course he was not minister but went back in the judge career and continue doing stupid things like this one, he is simply a muppet, what most of us in Spain want is that he is given the peace nobel prize and be retired in an Island in the Indic Ocean with Rigoberta Menchu and Jimmy carter.
 
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suny - I am no expert on these things can you help clarify?

not an idilic situation in 36 when Franco started the war

So Franco started a war

with far left wing in power

With a legal government

put democracy in the country and it was HIMSELF who choosed and put Juan Carlos as the king of Spain,

And established a monarchy to reiterate his belief in democracy

of people like Carrillo (Comunist party leader) to come back to Spain and not to be judged by things like what happened in Paracuellos

Is Paracuellos near Guernica?

worst president in Spain for more than 300 years

Spain has had Presidents for 300 years!! and Franco chnaged such a system?

he likes himself even more than Nick Lucks in RUK

who is Nick Luck?
 
an capall said:
suny - I am no expert on these things can you help clarify?

not an idilic situation in 36 when Franco started the war

So Franco started a war

with far left wing in power

With a legal government

put democracy in the country and it was HIMSELF who choosed and put Juan Carlos as the king of Spain,

And established a monarchy to reiterate his belief in democracy

of people like Carrillo (Comunist party leader) to come back to Spain and not to be judged by things like what happened in Paracuellos

Is Paracuellos near Guernica?

worst president in Spain for more than 300 years

Spain has had Presidents for 300 years!! and Franco chnaged such a system?

he likes himself even more than Nick Lucks in RUK

who is Nick Luck?
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enoughly clarified


yes, Franco started the war, and we were very lucky he won it.



offically legal goverment, but what they did in 34 was as ilegal as the war.


yes, Franco put Juan Carlos and allowed the democracy



Carrillo, Paracuellos is not close to Guernica, it is close to Madrid, Carrillo put there a top class comunist performance.



300 years, the worst ruling the country by miles.


Nick Luck, do your homework



PD: take the photo of the Che Guevara out of you wallet.:)
 
You realise his name was Che Guevara Lynch, suny, and his family came from the same part of the cuntry as Gearoid. Like that other great Irishman, JFK, he was murdered by the CIA for trying to make this world a better place, for you and me.

The hatrick of great Irishmen of the 20th Century was Michael O'Riordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Riordan)
 
Yes
JFK was great, but would have been a better president if puting sinatra as Rome embassador.
We miss him................:)
 
JFK rigged an election and had no more right to be president than Franco

But having been an obsessive reader of his time (1000 days is the best book) he was not the worst theyve had. His old man was a complete cnt though
 
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