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This could truly be an historic week. Israel are leaving the Gaza strip allowing the Palestinians a land/territory of their own. What a shame that Hamas don't realise that this is as good as things are going to get.

From the BBC website

Hamas chiefs insist fight goes on

Ismail Haniya played down the rivalry with the PA
Founders and leaders of Hamas have made a rare public appearance together to assert the Palestinian militant group's right to continue its armed campaign.
They spoke in Gaza only two days before Israel is due to start pulling settlers and troops out of the territory.

The group has largely kept to a truce with Israel called in February by the Palestinian Authority's president.

But it has defied Mahmoud Abbas' calls to disarm in preparation for Israel's withdrawal and the transfer of power.

Palestinian security forces were deployed around the Gaza settlements on Saturday to positions not occupied since the intifada erupted nearly five years ago, in preparation for the withdrawal, Palestinian sources told AFP news agency.


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Inside the settlements all was reported to be quiet on Saturday's Sabbath.

On Monday those who have not yet left will be asked by Israeli soldiers to depart. If they refuse they are expected to be dragged away.

A BBC correspondent says thousands of protesters have made it into the settlements to prepare for the confrontation.

Saturday's gathering of Hamas leaders was the biggest in public for more than a decade.

One of them, Ismail Haniya, was surrounded by four founding members of the group as he addressed reporters in a restaurant in Gaza City.

"Hamas confirms it is committed to armed resistance, it is our strategic choice until the end of the occupation of our land," he said.

"Our land, including Jerusalem, is still occupied, the refugees are still deported, the wall and the settlements are still eating more of our land."

Defiance

The Hamas leaders positioned themselves in front of their green flag and draped themselves in the group's colour, defying Palestinian Authority (PA) officials, who said on Friday that only the red, black, green and white Palestinian banner should be used to celebrate Israel's withdrawal.


The PA organised a rally of fishing boats

On Friday the PA organised a fishing boat rally in the harbour of Gaza City to celebrate the imminent pullout, where Mr Abbas told crowds that Palestinians were on the path to an independent state.

Tensions between the PA - dominated by Mr Abbas' Fatah party - and Hamas are high in the run-up to withdrawal, for which both claim the credit.

Hamas is planning to run in parliamentary elections in January.

Last month clashes broke out when Palestinian security forces tried to prevent Hamas members firing rockets at Israeli settlements in Gaza.

Mr Haniya played down the rivalry, but made clear Hamas intended to take part in governance after the withdrawal.

"Hamas is not a replacement for anyone. It is not a power within the Palestinian Authority and it is not confronting it. But Hamas rejects the idea of allowing any party to monopolise decision-making process," the Hamas leader said.
 
What do you mean 'as good as it's going to get', Paul? A fully-reinstated, autonomous Palestinian homeland has been on the cards since Yasser Arafat died, and this is just the start of giving back lands which were grabbed illegally and opportunistically by the Zionists.

And, by the way, it's 'Israel IS'... :angry: 3/10 Stay behind for detention...
 
Indeed I agree with K on this my worry is that some Israelis seem to think that giving back Gaza will allow them to hang on to the West Bank and develop yet more settlements .

We all know what really needs to happen - a return to 1967 borders , until and unless it does happen ( all too unlikely)the future still looks quite bleak to me.
 
I would love a fully autonomous Palestinian homeland but I really can't see that happening. The land grab that has been happening since WWII has been a disgrace but I believe that this concession is as much as Israel is going to allow.
 
It isn't up to Israel to allow or disallow it, P. It's already agreed to a phased handover of what it took illegally both in Gaza and during the 1973 Arab-Israeli conflict, when it did its major land seizures. But as long as the PLO kept Arafat in power, it wouldn't deal. Now he's gone to Paradise to be attended by beautiful virgins :brows: they don't have that excuse, and the PLO's headed up by a very sensible, intelligent and well-educated group now, thank goodness, who'll be more than capable of managing an orderly phase-back.
 
I'll give you £100 if a Palestinian homeland has not been implemented by 2015. You give me £100 if it has. That's how sure I am. Deal? :)

Or maybe you should give me £25,000, since you're on a real no-hoper, and I could do with another broodmare by then... :D
 
I know, Colin! :lol: With fair weather and a following wind, I'll be 70 then! Probably not, though, given our family's propensity for early exits, which is what I'm banking on with young P! (You'll have that blasted Blossom Hill thrown back at you, young man, if I have the strength! I'll be on Wincarnis 'tonic wine' by then!) :(
 
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